Security... Of property and person.

[gixer]

Come to think of it, most the trip reports i see are with at least one other person or dog.

Wonder how many solo nights the folks on here do a year.
I'd bet with LG and FWC exploits women probably have more alone hours outdoors than the blokes here

Can't remember the last time i camped alone.
Not really a security thing for, more that i prefer good company

The last 2 years Lakes trips were a great and made better by meeting folks on here.
Good company, good route guidance and a good few laughs

Don't get me wrong, i'd sooner camp out alone than have a twonk for company, and most of my outdoor hours are spent alone be that cycling, running or hiking, on day hikes or rides.

For camping i can't say as i'm interested in camping alone though.

Easy to roll up many different reasons not many women camp into one "security" package, end of the day though we live in a free country so it boils down to their choice.
I think "security" is an easy scapegoat if asked, as it's easier than saying can't be bothered, don't want to go alone, don't have the time, no hair drier, no TV or i like the idea but don't fancy sleeping in a tent.

I've heard all those reasons btw

Each to their own, less people outdoors (male or female) less crowds for us

 

[Padstowe]

Apart from club walks near all my hikes are solo, camping I think its been around 6yrs since I last went camping with someone else, with the dog well i took her down to kerry this year but that's the first time in 2yrs that i've took her as she ain't really up for it anymore what with having short legs & having to deal with tussock grass & heather all day.
But in the same hand i've always been a loner & spent near 17yrs traveling about 95% of the time on me own.
I do try & be sociable, but damn is it hard work (if sober)

 

[WilliamC]

Aldi have a special on Axes at the mo if there are any would be murderers reading this...

Hmmm. Chiseller's recent Norway post now makes sense.

 

[Enzo]

Backpacking I used to find better on my own, move faster, go where you want and also you end up meeting more people as groups tend to be more insular.
I heard at the start of train travel when mixed carriages were first used, the men complained. Not unexpected... they complained about all the talking. When they were men only no one said a word.
I can easily go a day at work and keep the words to single figures ☺
Back on topic I don't fear being attacked when out at all. ****** off land owners concern me though.

 

[Taz38]

When out walking with my OH, we try to avoid groups of chatty women as we'd rather listen to the birds etc than other people's trivia. Today however a man was the culprit. The weather was fab, the views stunning, the grass soft, the sandwiches tasty, but the loud incessant talking of this individual at least 70m away was so annoying we up and left. We ended up having lunch by a group of very pretty and quiet wild ponies at keast a mile away

On my recent 5 day walkabout I encountered no solo ladies at all but quite a few lone males. People also kept stopping me to ask the usual questions (where, how far etc).
My colleagues think I'm both brave and bonkers. I think its less scary than going to the hairdressers.

 

[Padstowe]

I truly believe that security of ones self does not exist, that it is a man (or woman) made concept made up to make us believe we have control over other peoples action as to or what may happen in relation to ourselves. We don't, we can take as many precautions as we wish but that only entails are involvement in any given scenario, way to many outside variables to take into account & the more interaction you have with either people or objects the more possibilities of things being beyond your control you will have.
So with this thought in mind, isn't it safer to be on your own on a lonely hillside with equipment you know how to use?

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

I truly believe that security of ones self does not exist, that it is a man (or woman) made concept made up to make us believe we have control over other peoples action as to or what may happen in relation to ourselves. We don't, we can take as many precautions as we wish but that only entails are involvement in any given scenario, way to many outside variables to take into account & the more interaction you have with either people or objects the more possibilities of things being beyond your control you will have.
So with this thought in mind, isn't it safer to be on your own on a lonely hillside with equipment you know how to use?

For sure @Padstowe far safer to be by yourself, unless you're into self harm.. But that's another issue altogether.

But we are occasionally social (or antisocial) animals too, for good or ill...

Makes me laugh... All these people on here chattering away, about how they can't bear other people's chatter

The only thing we can really control, is our own behaviour, and responses in situations.

(and that's a hard enough job )

We have supposedly 'free choice' but nearly all of us are, in truth, pushed about in our decisions by outside influences, fears, and past experiences...


Attempting to walk, or live, free of all that, can be a struggle, but is, imo, very much worth the effort

 

[gixer]

We have supposedly 'free choice' but nearly all of us are, in truth, pushed about in our decisions by outside influences, fears, and past experiences...

You make it sound like a bad thing.

It does take some effort to separate the facts from the BS, but the day we stop learning from our previous experiences or experiences of others will be a dark day in human history

Attempting to walk, or live, free of all that, can be a struggle, but is, imo, very much worth the effort

It's all about weighing up the risks for yourself

This poor gal weighed up the risks, knew it was risky, took the gamble and paid with her life
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41321514

So the theory of doing outdoor activities free of fear is pretty daft in my opinion

Fear has it's place, it should be part of our decision making process, but it should be based upon facts rather than sensationalised news or BS

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

You make it sound like a bad thing.

It does take some effort to separate the facts from the BS, but the day we stop learning from our previous experiences or experiences of others will be a dark day in human history



It's all about weighing up the risks for yourself

This poor gal weighed up the risks, knew it was risky, took the gamble and paid with her life
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41321514

So the theory of doing outdoor activities free of fear is pretty daft in my opinion

Fear has it's place, it should be part of our decision making process, but it should be based upon facts rather than sensationalised news or BS

Thanks for explaining all that for me @gixer - I will in future, do my best to make my decisions based on hard facts, not over - sensationalised news, or BS.

Oh, hang on a moment.

I already was ...

 

[gixer]

Thanks for explaining all that for me @gixer - I will in future, do my best to make my decisions based on hard facts, not over - sensationalised news, or BS.

I aim to please

 

[Enzo]

Makes me laugh... All these people on here chattering away, about how they can't bear other people's chatter

'These people'

I'm sure you got what I was trying to say really stereotyping. Statistically it's a fact women communicate more but we are all on a bell curve and we all fall at different points. We all know men who can't shut up and women who can but they are less likely than the opposite an example being the women on ramblings.

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

Makes me laugh... All these people on here chattering away, about how they can't bear other people's chatter

'These people'

I'm sure you got what I was trying to say really stereotyping. Statistically it's a fact women communicate more but we are all on a bell curve and we all fall at different points. We all know men who can't shut up and women who can but they are less likely than the opposite an example being the women on ramblings.

S'okay @Enzo... I did know what you meant..
You must forgive my tendencies towards sarcasm...
It's hard wired after tears (and years) of dealing with varying amounts of BS. Sexist and other wards..

Of course women are evolutionarily hard wired to chatter more
... Out on group foraging parties, with kids on their backs needing socialising, and information sharing re ripe berries, and plump roots... In that situation being talkative was essential for survival..

Whereas, the chaps keeping quiet, and communicating with body language whilst hunting the gazelle.... (or sneaking a lazy nap under a tree)

But maybe some of us have shifted, either way, along that bell curve (Ooo la! Sounds fun ) since then...

So boxing any of us in, with assumptions, and prejudgements.

Doesnt have much, if any relevance, nowadays..

I believe ramblings is a radio show yes..?

I'm going to pitch for one where two taciturn blokes, who communicate soley through grunts, and malevolent glances, walk at least ten paces apart, and only suffer each other's company because of a somewhat unhealthy obsession with rummaging in each others lunchboxes...

Go for a walk together..

I think it would make excellent radio..

 

[Mole]

I'm going to pitch for one where two taciturn blokes, who communicate soley through grunts, and malevolent glances, walk at least ten paces apart, and only suffer each other's company because of a somewhat unhealthy obsession with rummaging in each others lunchboxes...

Go for a walk together..

I think it would make excellent radio..


Better telly?

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

I'm going to pitch for one where two taciturn blokes, who communicate soley through grunts, and malevolent glances, walk at least ten paces apart, and only suffer each other's company because of a somewhat unhealthy obsession with rummaging in each others lunchboxes...

Go for a walk together..

I think it would make excellent radio..


Better telly?

No, that would destroy the vital 'air of mystery'...

We want enigma, not full frontal...

 

[Graham]

I'm going to pitch for one where two taciturn blokes, who communicate soley through grunts, and malevolent glances, walk at least ten paces apart, and only suffer each other's company because of a somewhat unhealthy obsession with rummaging in each others lunchboxes...
Go for a walk together..

Don't know about the "lunchboxes" but the remainder of the format has already been tried (extensively) for example in this episode - they are quite entertaining to be fair.

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

I feel, the lunchboxes.

Are really vital.

To the overall success, of the undertaking

 

[Enzo]

I think we are saying the same thing.
In a conversation that touched on women wildcamping. I thought the rambling episode was pertinent as young women who do big miles and wild camp aren't well represented on the show. And they discussed their motivations and apprehensions.
Let's be honest the image of Hill walking in the UK is like the image of real ale before it was cool, the hiking media i see from the US is more like hipster trendy brudog stuff, better represented by last week's ramblings.
I don't think our hobbie is cool enough for today's young people as it is reprisented the uk.

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

I think we are saying the same thing.
In a conversation that touched on women wildcamping. I thought the rambling episode was pertinent as young women who do big miles and wild camp aren't well represented on the show. And they discussed their motivations and apprehensions.
Let's be honest the image of Hill walking in the UK is like the image of real ale before it was cool, the hiking media i see from the US is more like hipster trendy brudog stuff, better represented by last week's ramblings.
I don't think our hobbie is cool enough for today's young people as it is reprisented the uk.

That's precisely why I'm here @Enzo!!

Representing the young hipster, craft ale swilling, UK hiking community....

Making it totes appealing, and relevant, to all the cool dudes, and dudettes...

For sure, and no doubt !

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I do like ale, at least

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

See...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZQLsdHD9gU/

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

@redscotti sweetheart ; nuthin happens when i click the link ...


Or is that the point?

An oblique critique , on the futility of trying to produce drama with any vestige of original content, within the present day ; market - driven; focus grouped ; consumer orientated ; culturally dissipated production values atmosphere ; prevalent within our media?

In which case yessir ; I couldn't agree more

 

[cathyjc]

I'm going to pitch for one where two taciturn blokes, who communicate soley through grunts, and malevolent glances, walk at least ten paces apart, and only suffer each other's company because of a somewhat unhealthy obsession with rummaging in each others lunchboxes...

Go for a walk together..

I think it would make excellent radio..


Better telly?

Plot - they arrive at planned camp spot to find it occupied by an older female camper with a badly erected wrinkly tent and a propensity to chatter and proffer unsolicited advice

PS. @Fair Weather Camper - without a TV you might miss the reference

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

Aha... The plot thickens...

But I do hope you are crediting me with the 'original device' Cathy..

That's another favourite isn't it...? Chaps passing off someone else's idea as their own

But who would we cast in the role of the older female Cathy.... Aint nuthin, but Spring Hipster chickens round these parts..

 

[cathyjc]

Aha... The plot thickens...

But who would we cast in the role of the older female Cathy.... Aint nuthin, but Spring Hipster chickens round these parts..

I think the foliclly challenged member of the duo has already cast yours truly in the female role……I plead guilty

 

[Fair Weather Camper]

Umm, Cathy.

I'm no expert on the etiquette of these matters..

But not convinced that youre supposed to share folks' private fantasies, on a public forum...

And older than whom, I'd like to know...?

 

[cathyjc]