You know it's a 'mid, right?How's everyone getting on with their Khufu's?
Anyone had enough nights to do a bit of a review please?
You know it's a 'mid, right?
One of my current hiking buddies has used one for over 2 years. 3 Scottish autumn trips, 2 TGO challenges, a few other shorter trips.
He's very happy. Had some serious wind n rain with no issues.
But then, our other buddy has been using an original Luxe Hexpeak in similar conditions for longer, and is also happy.
Well designed, well pitched mids work if one fits in the particular shelter.
In the spirit of investigation (never being satisfied), I've used a different shelter each trip I've been with them
I've been using my cuben Khufu for about 40 nights by now, I guess.
To me, it's a pretty great shelter. I won't talk about the benefits of a mid here but to me it's the easy set-up & the versatility. It offers me privacy whilst (as usual) on a campsite when paired with an inner.
In hindsight I should've bought the Khufu CF3-B, because that one is bonded instead of sewn, like mine. Then again; the bonded version wasn't around when I ordered my shelter.
I taped all the seams and reinforcements with cuben tape, but it adds weight, obviously.
Anyway, here's a 'mid-term review' ( ) of my Khufu.
Pitching
One of the reasons I went for the Khufu was that's it needs a pole that extends to 130 cm, which is a pretty common height for most poles.
Pitching is obviously pretty straight-forward: you stake the 4 corners, make sure everything is more or less even and put the pole in the apex. After that I stake out all the other points and guylines if necessary.
One thing that happens to me sometimes is that one of the ridgelines to the back is extremely catenary, if you know what I mean. That way it's hard to get a taut pitch, and it's not as simple to just re-stake the corners: you need to take the whole thing down and start over again.
It's pretty annoying and I haven't found a way to prevent it. Part of me thinks it's partially due to the nature of cuben fiber: it has no stretch whatsoever. Maybe the sil version is more forgiving when it comes to this.
Another part of me is pretty sure it's just my inability to pitch a pyramid shelter
It does not always happen but it limits living space at the head or the feet and it causes the inner to touch the outer, with all known consequences.
If pitched correctly, you have ample living space, even when combined with an inner. People taller then 180cm might have a problem with the length of the Khufu, but I know that @Chris2901 has a custom sized Khufu because he's a German Giant .
Locus Gear uses 2mm reflective dyneema cord for all their tie-outs, in combination with line-locs. I never had any problem with it, but now - after approx 40 nights - some of the cord at the corners start slipping trough the linelocs.
I will replace it with some 3mm Lawson cord, that should solve that problem.
Design & fabric choices
My shelter is made out .74-cuben. All the reinforcement-patches are Dyneema X, but at the corners Locus Gear used some thick plastic/vinyl-esque material to beef things up. They've also used the same material at the apex where the end of your pole sits.
No complaints here. The benefits and downsides of cuben fiber are well known, so I won't discuss that here.
Locus Gear uses a #3-YKK waterproof-zipper without a storm flap. I've been in some pretty hefty weather with my Khufu and I have never seen the zipper leak, nor has the zipper failed me. MLD uses a #5 zipper on their mids which is burlier and more durable but I haven't had a problem with my zipper.
HOWEVER, I have noticed that at one spot the stitching of the zipper starts to come 'undone' on the inside of my tent. I solved that problem with some double-sided cuben tape but obviously it worries me a bit.
I noticed it when I was taping up my shelter; it's located at the middle of the zipper, next to a reinforcement patch. I've used my tent for about 10 nights (or more...) since then and the cuben tape holds up nicely. I inspect my zipper carefully after every trip and haven't found any other spots where it happens.
The vent is small and IMO pretty worthless. It even includes bug netting, which I removed since I use an inner anyway. To Locus Gear their credit, on the more recent versions of their shelters the vent seems a lot bigger.
Build quality is pretty outstanding. You won't find a wonky seam and the attention to detail is pretty great.
What is lacking is multiple inner-attachment-points. There's just one clip on the apex and that's it. I know MLD uses mitten hooks to properly fit the inner, but Locus Gear has none of that. That way the inner isn't always very taut. It's not a problem for me, though. But it's worth mentioning.
My inner stays permanently attached to my outer.
Performance
It's a mid; It handles most weather pretty well.
I've only been in one pretty serious Alpine thunder storm, and whilst everything was flapping around and I thought the whole thing was going airborne, the shelter held up great. Since that night I trust my Khufu.
I use a total of 12 stakes: 4 for the corners, 4 for the mid-tie-outs & 4 for the panel tie-outs. You could do with only 4.
Summary
It's a great, versatile and pretty light shelter. 'Out of the box' my outer was 289 grams but after adding tape, extra cord and S-carabiners (for adding my inner) the weight has crept up to 420 grams. Still very light, obviously.
It's my go-to solo shelter and I haven't found any other tent that's so easy to pitch, easy to enter/exit, has this much living space and is weather-resisant.
Recently, Locus Gear started to sell readily available shelters including an inner and stakes, like the Khufu HB. The fly is made out of 10D sil/PU-fabric with taped seams. I'll ask them if they are willing to sell me the fly only since I don't need a full sized inner.
Anyway, if you have any other questions, shoot!
Fantastic, thanks mate
That's a bit worrying with the pitching, is it only on uneven ground you see the problem?
What inner are you using?
There is not much I could add to @Arne L. ´s review.Main difference is that I´ve been using the Silnylon version in custom size. There´s a short introduction in the review section of this forum.
I always used the DPTE since I can´t stand these single-pole-setups robbing a lot of living space and efficiency .
That´s one point disturbing me about @gixer ´s comparison.You simply cannot compare the double-wall Tarptents to a mid-style tarp. That would be unfair if the shelter´s weight is your main concern.If it comes to livability imho the TT´s will always beat a mid-style shelter especially when pitched with a single pole.Of course that´s a very subjective point of view.
The pitching-issue happens at random. But I'm (pretty...) sure it's my own fault. I tried everything: making sure it's perfectly lined up when staked / staking all corners tight when on the ground / staking all corners looseley when on the ground / ... with varied results. Sometimes it's ok, sometimes it's not.
I think @craige noticed it too on our first pitch near Loch Treig. Other days, no problem. That's why I'd like to try a sil/pu-version, to see if it's cuben's fault or not.
Then again, I've never came up on a report about a cuben Khufu with the same problem. So it's probably just me.
I use a 2/3 custom inner: custom as in it's partially solid/mesh. Works best for the conditions I'm in. Found all mesh to be too drafty.
A not-so-Instagram-worthy picture of my Khufu + inner on a Scottish campsite:
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@Arne L.
The "too much" caternary curve - in my experience it may be due to your centre pole not being exactly upright and/or exactly centered. Once you think your pegging points are right, then experiment with the centre pole and see if that helps.
Re. the lack of atttachment points for hanging an inner - thats not such a problem - fixing (bonding) cuben patches with loops or mitten hooks where you need them for your particular inner is easy enough. Call it "personalising your mid"
If the semi solid version has the same dimensions as the mesh, your inner should be 230 x 100, is that right?
Recon that'll be a tight for me
I'm worried if i go wider the inner will get wet when i open the door though, any thoughts Arne please?
Well,I´m not that far away from Belgium for a couple of Leffes or Duvels. When I was thinking about an inner for my Khufu,I´d have gone for the 2/3,since the (wet) gear storage seemed to be most convicing.
To me it's a perfect size but if I'd take a wider pad it could become tricky. The main reason why I chose an 2/3 inner is because I have ample space to cook and store wet/dirty gear and the inner doesn't get when I go outside when it's pouring (unless the wind has turned overnight... )
A solution could be the DPTE. You'll gain some space because there's no pole in the middle, but it adds weight and it doesn't look that convenient IMO.
I perfectly understand why you'd take a full sized inner or a 3/4 but I'm pretty sure your inner will get wet Then again, a 2/3 is a perfect comprimise... At least for me. With a full sized you don't have a porch for cooking or storing those stinky shoes... a 3.4 will be better in that regard, but it's not a popular choise it seems. Most people I know who have a Khufu either have the 1/2 or the 2/3.
Aaaaah, all those options, right
You don't happen to visit Belgium in the near future? Could buy you a few beers and show the Khufu
@Arne L. I think that was the flattest ground and your worst pitch? Iirc it was pretty much perfect the second night on that lumpy, sloping trail
I had the same issue on that first night with my 'mid.
I'm not sure if it is your pole... you do have a patch telling you exactly where to put it?
I've been using my cuben Khufu for about 40 nights by now, I guess.
To me, it's a pretty great shelter. I won't talk about the benefits of a mid here but to me it's the easy set-up & the versatility. It offers me privacy whilst (as usual) on a campsite when paired with an inner.
In hindsight I should've bought the Khufu CF3-B, because that one is bonded instead of sewn, like mine. Then again; the bonded version wasn't around when I ordered my shelter.
I taped all the seams and reinforcements with cuben tape, but it adds weight, obviously.
Anyway, here's a 'mid-term review' ( ) of my Khufu.
Pitching
One of the reasons I went for the Khufu was that's it needs a pole that extends to 130 cm, which is a pretty common height for most poles.
Pitching is obviously pretty straight-forward: you stake the 4 corners, make sure everything is more or less even and put the pole in the apex. After that I stake out all the other points and guylines if necessary.
One thing that happens to me sometimes is that one of the ridgelines to the back is extremely catenary, if you know what I mean. That way it's hard to get a taut pitch, and it's not as simple to just re-stake the corners: you need to take the whole thing down and start over again.
It's pretty annoying and I haven't found a way to prevent it. Part of me thinks it's partially due to the nature of cuben fiber: it has no stretch whatsoever. Maybe the sil version is more forgiving when it comes to this.
Another part of me is pretty sure it's just my inability to pitch a pyramid shelter
It does not always happen but it limits living space at the head or the feet and it causes the inner to touch the outer, with all known consequences.
If pitched correctly, you have ample living space, even when combined with an inner. People taller then 180cm might have a problem with the length of the Khufu, but I know that @Chris2901 has a custom sized Khufu because he's a German Giant .
Locus Gear uses 2mm reflective dyneema cord for all their tie-outs, in combination with line-locs. I never had any problem with it, but now - after approx 40 nights - some of the cord at the corners start slipping trough the linelocs.
I will replace it with some 3mm Lawson cord, that should solve that problem.
Design & fabric choices
My shelter is made out .74-cuben. All the reinforcement-patches are Dyneema X, but at the corners Locus Gear used some thick plastic/vinyl-esque material to beef things up. They've also used the same material at the apex where the end of your pole sits.
No complaints here. The benefits and downsides of cuben fiber are well known, so I won't discuss that here.
Locus Gear uses a #3-YKK waterproof-zipper without a storm flap. I've been in some pretty hefty weather with my Khufu and I have never seen the zipper leak, nor has the zipper failed me. MLD uses a #5 zipper on their mids which is burlier and more durable but I haven't had a problem with my zipper.
HOWEVER, I have noticed that at one spot the stitching of the zipper starts to come 'undone' on the inside of my tent. I solved that problem with some double-sided cuben tape but obviously it worries me a bit.
I noticed it when I was taping up my shelter; it's located at the middle of the zipper, next to a reinforcement patch. I've used my tent for about 10 nights (or more...) since then and the cuben tape holds up nicely. I inspect my zipper carefully after every trip and haven't found any other spots where it happens.
The vent is small and IMO pretty worthless. It even includes bug netting, which I removed since I use an inner anyway. To Locus Gear their credit, on the more recent versions of their shelters the vent seems a lot bigger.
Build quality is pretty outstanding. You won't find a wonky seam and the attention to detail is pretty great.
What is lacking is multiple inner-attachment-points. There's just one clip on the apex and that's it. I know MLD uses mitten hooks to properly fit the inner, but Locus Gear has none of that. That way the inner isn't always very taut. It's not a problem for me, though. But it's worth mentioning.
My inner stays permanently attached to my outer.
Performance
It's a mid; It handles most weather pretty well.
I've only been in one pretty serious Alpine thunder storm, and whilst everything was flapping around and I thought the whole thing was going airborne, the shelter held up great. Since that night I trust my Khufu.
I use a total of 12 stakes: 4 for the corners, 4 for the mid-tie-outs & 4 for the panel tie-outs. You could do with only 4.
Summary
It's a great, versatile and pretty light shelter. 'Out of the box' my outer was 289 grams but after adding tape, extra cord and S-carabiners (for adding my inner) the weight has crept up to 420 grams. Still very light, obviously.
It's my go-to solo shelter and I haven't found any other tent that's so easy to pitch, easy to enter/exit, has this much living space and is weather-resisant.
Recently, Locus Gear started to sell readily available shelters including an inner and stakes, like the Khufu HB. The fly is made out of 10D sil/PU-fabric with taped seams. I'll ask them if they are willing to sell me the fly only since I don't need a full sized inner.
Anyway, if you have any other questions, shoot!
Correct about the patch, but that is on the inner and that inner isn't always on the exact same spot So... the patch is always slightly different.
Just received an email from Locus Gear about buying the Khufu HB-fly seperatly:
"Hi Arne,
The Khufu HB Kit cannot be sold in piece.
Which is made by our cooperate factory and sold only in the kit.
We even do not have the fabric in hands as all is handled by them.
Best regards,
Yuki Yoshida
Customer Service"