Unicorn xmid

[echo8876]

Helm Compact 2 can pitch inner and outer together so how will it get wet?

i havent spent a single night outdoors without getting condensation in a traditional tent (or any tent, including x-mid, mid, lanshan, etc)
even if it aint condensation, there is like 5 cups of morning dew outside, that gets whole thing drenched when packin.
And i hike in a place with exactly same rainfall as scotland (1,6-2m per year), but actually feels way less wet (moisture gets down in the forest, stones and handful of soil dries instantly, unlike scottish tundra-like grassland)

 

[Robert P]

Horses for courses and whatever suits. If I'm on a multi day walk chances are the outers going to get wet with condensation. No problem to split inner and outer which I've found keeps the inner dry(ish). Bundling them up together just ends up a soggy mess. Each to their own I guess.

I'm probably in a minority, but personally I live with the 'soggy mess'. The alternative of crawling around on soggy ground detaching the inner is too awkward and unpleasant (for me). My experience of pitching a tent with saturated inner is that the thin walls seem to dry fairly quickly (or at least not drip on the floor) and a quick wipe of the floor of the inner is all that is needed to keep things dry.

 

[Jakey]

I tend to wipe the condensation off with a sponge, whilst I am waiting for the kettle to boil in the morning. I’m then packing away a (mostly) dry tent……..and saving some weight

 

[The Clueless Backpacker]

Aye. But it does get wet. @BogTrotter was asking how.

 

[BogTrotter]

I’d head out with the inner and outer connected then decide what to do next morning. If it was only an overnighter and it would be dried out on return it would be packed all in one.

Not everybody has problems with condensation.

 

[Robert P]

I tend to wipe the condensation off with a sponge, whilst I am waiting for the kettle to boil in the morning. I’m then packing away a (mostly) dry tent……..and saving some weight

...assuming it is not pouring with rain, which often seems to be the case for me.

 

[BogTrotter]

Aye. But it does get wet. @BogTrotter was asking how.

Only on pitching. Pitching both together would still be dry if it started dry.

In @cuprajake and Durston pitch with the soaking that had, the inner couldn’t get much wetter!

 

[The Clueless Backpacker]

Deleted. Made sense once I reread it a few times.

 

[Jshdudhwodj]

Well for me, the tent is that big and bulky I have to split it.

I only camp single days, so it can go up outer first. I have a footprint so no kneeling on wet ground then the inner can go in, if wet it will still need splitting for drying once home.

If it was a lighter tent then it could go on one side of the bag like the durston did

This is it packed now



So bar the sleep mat (500g) as it's not arrived, that's the bag fully loaded with everything including food, no water and it weighs 7.2kg

So water and mat will see me at just under 9kg.

Which is heavier than I wanted tbh.

But I can't find a lightweight tent and the one that fit the bill got sent back to the USA

 

[Rog Tallbloke]

fully loaded with everything including food, no water and it weighs 7.2kg
So water and mat will see me at just under 9kg.
Which is heavier than I wanted tbh

It's actually pretty good for a 4 season setup. Well done.

If it was a lighter tent then it could go on one side of the bag

Use the water as a counterbalance? This guy walking from Cape Wrath to Lands End carries his 2.3kg Vango on one side.

 

[Jshdudhwodj]

I don't know if the full tent would fit in one side it's a big boy

It's my all yr setup, I keep looking at quilts but not sure I'd be warm,

They do my bag in the quilt version 500g, which is tempting

 

[Rog Tallbloke]

I don't know if the full tent would fit in one side it's a big boy

It's my all yr setup, I keep looking at quilts but not sure I'd be warm,

They do my bag in the quilt version 500g, which is tempting

The hefty tent should help make quilt use possible in winter. I'm in negotiation for one of these 15F quilts off BPL gear swap for $100. The early version got a slating, but this one's the MkII.

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[AllyRdr]

 

[BogTrotter]

If you know. You know.
@old-skool-lite tourets kicks in…

 

[The Clueless Backpacker]

I can't see owt!

 

[BogTrotter]

 

[mjh]

The problem keeps coming back to the same thing ie that you want one piece of gear to do everything which means you’re always compromising somewhere….

You want lighter but the first thing you’ve done is narrow down to a 2kg tent! You can easily lose 1kg or even 1.5kg on the tent for 3 seasons if you accept that means you just have to be more careful with conditions and pitching location in winter (or that proper winter needs a different tent to the rest of the year). It seems like you’re following the same path with sleeping bags/quilts now.

 

[dovidola]

Well for me, the tent is that big and bulky I have to split it.

I only camp single days, so it can go up outer first. I have a footprint so no kneeling on wet ground then the inner can go in, if wet it will still need splitting for drying once home.

If it was a lighter tent then it could go on one side of the bag like the durston did

This is it packed now

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So bar the sleep mat (500g) as it's not arrived, that's the bag fully loaded with everything including food, no water and it weighs 7.2kg

So water and mat will see me at just under 9kg.

Which is heavier than I wanted tbh.

But I can't find a lightweight tent and the one that fit the bill got sent back to the USA

Is that the Atom+ ? If so, is it the 40L or the 50L?

 

[Jshdudhwodj]

Is that the Atom+ ? If so, is it the 40L or the 50L?

Its a 50l atom+

 

[Jshdudhwodj]

The problem keeps coming back to the same thing ie that you want one piece of gear to do everything which means you’re always compromising somewhere….

You want lighter but the first thing you’ve done is narrow down to a 2kg tent! You can easily lose 1kg or even 1.5kg on the tent for 3 seasons if you accept that means you just have to be more careful with conditions and pitching location in winter (or that proper winter needs a different tent to the rest of the year). It seems like you’re following the same path with sleeping bags/quilts now.

I understand that,

But I don't see the point in something like the durston, which if it gets condensation on the inside then a big gust of wind can push the outer onto the inner? @Robert P has that happened to you? I know @Mole had the same as what mine did at weekend, and I know it's a 3 season tent, so it was pushing it, but I've seen it out in snow before

Considering our weather you can't bank on a summer

I'm not going to rush buying anything sleep wise ATM, simply researching.

 

[The Clueless Backpacker]

You can easily lose 1kg or even 1.5kg on the tent for 3 seasons if you accept that means you just have to be more careful with conditions and pitching location in winter (or that proper winter needs a different tent to the rest of the year).

I like to use the same 'big 3' gear year round & take winter as the base-line as that's been when I mainly get out. I like the simplicity. Clothing varies by season

Tent - 4 season. Deduct inner outside of winter (or maybe even in winter if I get on with the Borah Bivy)
Sleeping bag/down clothing - 4 season 'system'. Deduct down clothing when it's warmer.
Pack - limited scope but remove lid when not needed.

That takes me from a winter base weight (no tools) of about 7.1kg to a summer base weight of about 5.9kg for 1-2 nights.

But I don't see the point in something like the durston, which if it gets condensation on the inside then a big gust of wind can push the outer onto the inner?

That's why I eventually dumped the Akto.

 

[Jshdudhwodj]

Don't get me wrong, the durston was a cracking tent.

 

[WilliamC]

@cuprajake Do you know why the Kuiu was sent back from customs? Did you consider asking Kuiu to reship it?

 

[Jshdudhwodj]

Never got an answer, from DHL or kuiu

Kuiu just said we are unable to reship international orders.

I know someone who has just had a stormstar delivered too. So just unlucky I guess

 

[echo8876]

Looks like you are skipping very hard on layers in that backpack. Not something i would recommend.