Safety calls after death on striding edge

Discussion in 'Hiking Chat' started by gixer, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Was sent this link earlier today
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-33215228

    Unfortunately a hiker fell to his death from striding edge

    Then i later read this
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-33242230

    After 4 deaths this year so far in the Lakes do you think there is really any need to toughen up on safety?


    Personally i can't see what else could be done, insisting hikers rope up in groups might have helped but for one i wouldn't accept being roped to a bunch of complete strangers.

    Any thoughts?
  2. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    A sign of how risk averse the world is. High mountains are hazardous, 13 people died in the lakes last year. Ive always felt it should be left in the hands of Darwin
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  3. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    If it was down to people knowing and ignoring the dangers i'd agree Paul, in the back of my mind though i'm thinking that if we spend a lot of time hiking the chances that we're eventually going to get a injury or trip is going increase.

    I know that when i'm knackered i've got a tendency to stumble a fair bit.

    I do tend to put a fair bit of concentration into my steps when the risk of a serious injury from a fall increases, like say walking close to the kerb next to a main road, near the subway/metro/train platforms and on ridge walks.

    I've still not done striding edge yet though, is it that steep that there is no way to break your fall if you go over?

    I've done crib goch a few times, is it worse than that?
  4. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    No worse than Crib Goch - less exposed from memory.

    Suggestions from who?
  5. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Aye the article is not to clear, it was in a part where they were quoting the fell walker who'd lost a friend (Linda Howard-Bates according to the article).

    It could be her, she quoted in the article as saying "It should be possible to enforce some sort of guide system."

    Not really sure how you'd enforce a guide system, or how it would be any safer.
    If you have a guide 5m in front of you and you trip and fall down the edge how is a guide going to help?

    Only way i can see is if a group were all roped up, which would bring as many hazards as it would likely fix.
  6. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    Im no different Mark but its down to me to know my limitations and act on them. If you (not you personally) attack a ridge walk when you know you are likely to sub par then Darwin is likely to pawn your ass. The only safe way of neutralising a ridge like that is to put in a rail and have everyone rope up to it. I say whats the point. We shouldnt need to tell people that a thin walkway at 3000ft with shear drops either side is dangerous. Ive always accepted that the worst outcome for me on a trip is death however unlikely it may be. It goes with the turf when you go into the wild and the hills. The guy that died was apparently experienced and well equipped.
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  7. EM - Ross

    EM - Ross Thru Hiker

    & who's she? Nobody. Just more ***** reporting from a corporation who should know better.

    Bring on enforced guiding - it will be brilliant sport dodging the officials chrged with enforcing it. It'll never happen.
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  8. Beamo

    Beamo Summit Camper

    Where would it stop, you are going to need more enforcers than walkers / climbers and that's only the Lakes, then we have Wales and Scotland. The country's unemployment problems sorted in stroke. Then there's the fines, Osbourne would be laughing.
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  9. Hedley Heap

    Hedley Heap Section Hiker

    Statistically, walking down the street is more dangerous, are we going to need a guide to the post office?
    I don't like the attitude that assumes the person involved was in all cases either I'll prepared, inexperienced or whatever, accidents happen.
    It's only news worthy because the people who write the news don't understand. If it happened a few miles away in Penrith no mention would be made.
    When I was taking my Sports Council coaching qualifications, they did a quick poll of what people thought was the most dangerous sport in the UK.
    We were all wrong with boxing, sky diving, motor racing and such.
    At the time based on number of deaths alone, squash was the UKs most dangerous sport.
    Ban squash I say.
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  10. fluffkitten

    fluffkitten Moderator Staff Member

    Ban life, it is universally fatal. :(
  11. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    It's another poor piece of trash journalism from the beeb. Calls? I read only one call and that is from an upset friend of a very unfortunate walker who died.

    Yes, our hobby can be dangerous and that's one of the main attractions for me and many others. I enjoy taking controlled risks, it makes me feel alive.

    Enforced guiding? :roflmao: :finger:
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  12. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Striding Edge rates:

    Teepee gratis
    Gixer £1000 :angelic:

    Mind you as I just got lost on a well waymarked trail :oops:....
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  13. murpharoo

    murpharoo Section Hiker

    No. No. No. ..... I go to the hills to get away from all of this :(

    I usually go solo - I know it increases the inherent risks especially remote scrambling / packrafting but it is in those places that I revel in the freedom that our hobby provides. I choose to expose myself to it and any problems would just be of my own doing. I am ok with that.
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  14. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    Murphy keeps you right....:rolleyes::)

    I seen this and thought it was typical crap soundbite journalism, it doesnt matter how ridiculous the statement is as long as they said it.

    I had a car accident 25 years ago, I've never been in a car or near a road since...
    Honest..
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  15. suggdozer

    suggdozer Section Hiker

    "It should be possible to enforce some sort of guide system." ********!
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  16. BlueTrain

    BlueTrain Trail Blazer

    I live in an area with a lot of ponds and small lakes as well as the very unfriendly (in places) Potomac River. There are frequent drowning's, too, not unexpectedly. Many, though not all, of them are in connection with recreational activities, especially on the river. There are falls about ten miles upriver from Washington and that whole area is a magnet for kayakers and canoeists. There are also good technical climbing rocks around there, too. In comparison, one never hears of fatalities in Shenandoah National Park (no river or lakes, for one thing) or in G.W. National Forest, which is close by.

    The thing is, of course, every body of water and every rock over six feet high can't be fenced off. Local government can't be held responsible for everyone's foolish or risky behavior. They already have their hands full dealing with people who think the speed limit is a form of government tyranny and speeding is a form of insurrection.

    But that's just here. In other places, especially in the Far West, there are other problems. You've probably heard of base jumpers. You usually only hear about them when one of them had a bad day and wasn't able to go home that night. But what can you do when some people are so willing to do illegal things, just for the thrill?
  17. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    The powers that be could fine/imprison us for it, after allowing large parts of our economy to be based on it. The human psyche needs risk in varying forms. There's a very fine line between adventure and mis-adventure and it often involves a miss.

    Is base jumping illegal where you are Blue Train? I don't know.
  18. BlueTrain

    BlueTrain Trail Blazer

    Having an economy based on fines from risky sports sounds a little too much like red light cameras. The object for the latter is not to reduce traffic accidents at intersections but rather to produce income. But unlike those who run red lights (which would be the fastest cars going through the intersections), I don't think there are that many who like death-defying activities but I could be wrong.

    Base jumping is not illegal in the United States but it isn't permitted in National Parks these days. That didn't keep two men from killing themselves last May in Yosemite National Park. Mainly the legal issue is having permission to jump from a given object, which would never be a problem with skydiving or sport parachuting. There is one place not so very far from where I grew up that is given over to base jumpers once a year. It's the bridge over the New River Gorge on the West Virginia Turnpike. There have been fatalities there, too.

    Base jumping is clearly an extreme activity but I'm sure the number of drowning deaths every year are much, much greater and swimming and boating are not considered extreme sports. Nor is ballooning. I recall that when I lived in Germany in the 1960s, a pretty summer weekend would see the sky filled with hot air balloons. I suppose that ballooning involves more money, though, but the hot air is easy to find here.

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