Aren't Dyneema backpacks from the same material as Dyneema tents? Like 0.51 Dyneema for tents and 2.92 Dyneema for backpacksConversely, I wonder if anyone will make backpacks from tent material. My MLD prototype in 20D sil is still in use 15 years later. It weighs 150g
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Seems like a logic thing to do. I mean if this new type of material performs much better than Dyneema then why not make a thin version of it for tents. Dyneema does the same thing as far as I know.As I pondered above, the lowest weight so far is Ultra 200 which is too heavy. Perhaps if they can get an Ultra 50 or so it could be an option.
The same apart from one being over 5 times lighter than the other. ;-)Aren't Dyneema backpacks from the same material as Dyneema tents? Like 0.51 Dyneema for tents and 2.92 Dyneema for backpacks
Yes sure. How much of that weight is due to stronger backing lamination and how much due to a denser mesh of fibres?The same apart from one being over 5 times lighter than the other. ;-)
I don't know. But I do know 0.51 cuben is easily strong enough to make an overnighting pack from. It would have to be treated with care to keep it waterproof without having to add tenacious tape too frequently.Yes sure. How much of that weight is due to stronger backing lamination and how much due to a denser mesh of fibres?
Yeah but if Ultra 200 is 7(or 5, don't remember the exact number) times stronger than a similar Dyneema fabric like 2.92, then ultra 50 or even 30 could make a really good tent fabric.The same apart from one being over 5 times lighter than the other. ;-)
Yes sure. How much of that weight is due to stronger backing lamination and how much due to a denser mesh of fibres?
Yes that's the whole point. It uses much much more than DCF. We're talking about comparing different weights of DCF above.So appearantly this new fabric uses more UHMWPE than Dyneema. That's the magic stuff which makes it betterUltra Weave Specs — Pa'lante
Below is an email that we received from our fabric rep who introduced us to Ultra Weave. It breaks down all of the main points and compares it to DCF. Please note...palantepacks.com
Ultra might not be an ideal tent fabric regardless, if my understanding is correct. Ultra uses woven Dyneema, but needs a plastic film laminated on one side to provide waterproofness. DCF is a composite material formed from non-woven Dyneema between two sheets of plastic film, and can function as a standalone material, as in tents (and can be laminated to an additional face fabric to protect it further, as in pack fabrics). Even if you could achieve similar weights with lighter face fabric on the Ultra, the backing film (which provides the waterproofing) would be quite vulnerable on a tent. Just wondering if you could silicone coat woven Dyneema, but again it would probably end up being heavier - and excessively expensive...Yeah but if Ultra 200 is 7(or 5, don't remember the exact number) times stronger than a similar Dyneema fabric like 2.92, then ultra 50 or even 30 could make a really good tent fabric.
So appearantly this new fabric uses more UHMWPE than Dyneema. That's the magic stuff which makes it betterUltra Weave Specs — Pa'lante
Below is an email that we received from our fabric rep who introduced us to Ultra Weave. It breaks down all of the main points and compares it to DCF. Please note...palantepacks.com
I'll be interested to see the tarp material.
They have done since July but first shipping isn't until Nov.Bonfus are now offering their packs in Ultra 200 - tempting.......
Possibly not the wonder material we're hoping for judging by this and subsequent posts on BPL.*
*A sample of 1, admittedly.
That pack had only done 350 miles?That guy's complaining how it 'doesn't look great' after 350 miles. But what does that actually mean. Are there holes, tears, or visibly worn areas indicating the fabric is degrading. Or is it just the appearance. It's not clear.
The other complaints seem to be about some delamination. Losing water resistance is a problem obviously. Although personally, I would use a liner or cover with it anyway.
That pack had only done 350 miles?
Dragged on the floor?!
350 miles on a trail is only about 3 weeks use? It should look like new?
I used the Pa’lante desert pack for roughly ~3000 miles this summer and the fabric has held up great except the back panel has delaminated. The only other problem has been some discoloration and a little bit of stitch elongation on the strap pockets towards the bottom. This pack uses a mix of 400 and 800 ultra, so a little heavier fabric than the ultra200 but would expect roughly the same performance, it’s quite a burly fabric.