Micro carabiners

rob d 2

Ultralighter
I'm looking for these, to quickly attach/detach additional guys to my Hillebergs. Because they are V guylines, there are 2 ends for each. For the Nallo 2, that's 8. I have been tying them on in anticipation of bad weather, say for high level winter camping, but would prefer to be able to use them as necessary. Tying on 8, when your hands are frozen is not fun. The line has to be taken through the loop on the tent, then threaded through the adjuster/line lock and tied off. Because the additional lines are thin dynema, a stopper knot pulls through, so I use a bowline. A bit of a faff in a gale!
Any suggestions? There are a few clips including Alpkit's, at 3 grams, but lighter would be preferred.
Another idea is to use a separate piece of cord, to simply tie a loop to join the guy to the loop. A little quicker, but still a faff.
Thanks, Rob
 

Mole

Thru Hiker
Rob these are similar to the Alpkits.

£2.95 5%OFF | 8pcs/Lot Naturehike Aluminum Alloy Carabiner Outdoor Camping Hiking 4cm D Shape Mountaineering Buckle Flat Hanging Buckle Hook
https://a.aliexpress.com/_vo1z7


Or you could try the guys in a different way.

@The Cumbrian showed me a way using slidelock linelocks. Which I have since seen that Exped use on their tents.

You leave a loop of guy with s linelock on between the two tie outs, and just thread the main guys on when needed.

I did this on our recently new tent and it works quite well. The slidelock work well with thin line. ( I'm using 1.8 mm).

Carabiners definitely quicker though.
 

Baldy

Thru Hiker
I'm looking for these, to quickly attach/detach additional guys to my Hillebergs. Because they are V guylines, there are 2 ends for each. For the Nallo 2, that's 8. I have been tying them on in anticipation of bad weather, say for high level winter camping, but would prefer to be able to use them as necessary. Tying on 8, when your hands are frozen is not fun. The line has to be taken through the loop on the tent, then threaded through the adjuster/line lock and tied off. Because the additional lines are thin dynema, a stopper knot pulls through, so I use a bowline. A bit of a faff in a gale!
Any suggestions? There are a few clips including Alpkit's, at 3 grams, but lighter would be preferred.
Another idea is to use a separate piece of cord, to simply tie a loop to join the guy to the loop. A little quicker, but still a faff.
Thanks, Rob

I’ve been doing this for a while now. Alpkit clippers are good or any similar on Amazon.
 

rob d 2

Ultralighter
Thanks both. I'm not sure what the breaking strain is of the Alpkits but Edelrid sell similar with 50kg suggested. The Aliexpress ones are 30 kgs, which might suffice. That's 60kg with the two, if equally loaded.
Mole, thanks for the tip. That would work, but still a fiddle.
I was unaware of Aliexpress until a few months ago - what a treasure trove! Is it fairly reliable?
 

Mole

Thru Hiker
I've been using it for some years. Never had a problem.

Bought Electronic and horticultural stuff as well as outdoor gear.
 

rob d 2

Ultralighter
Mole, do you mean just one loop + one linelock for the two tie outs collectively each guy would go to?
 

WilliamC

Thru Hiker
Mole, do you mean just one loop + one linelock for the two tie outs collectively each guy would go to?
If I'm understanding you and @Mole correctly, you could attach a Clamcleats Linelock to the V as in the photo below (the line would pass through where it attaches to the pole in the photo), then when you want to use it, you thread the line to the peg through the Clamcleat.
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Apologies to both of you if I've misunderstood.
 

rob d 2

Ultralighter
Thanks William, but each guy attaches to 2 points on the pole, thus spreading the load. It's a goid feature. But it means you need to deal with each attachment separately.
 

WilliamC

Thru Hiker
I would have thought that if you use the Clamcleats' Lineloc as in the photo (but with the line just threaded through the apex, not larksfooted to it, so that it's free to move), it would spread the load between the two attachment points automatically.
 

Mole

Thru Hiker
Similar to William's pic but the slidelocks run freely on a line between the two tieouts.
 
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rob d 2

Ultralighter
Thanks again! If I'm understanding this correctly, doesn't this mean there's an angled pull on the tie outs, i.e. they're being pulled towards each other a little?
 

Mole

Thru Hiker
Thanks again! If I'm understanding this correctly, doesn't this mean there's an angled pull on the tie outs, i.e. they're being pulled towards each other a little?

Not sure I understand. Both pullouts are pulled away from the tent. The position of the free running slider on the tent side line is determined by the length of the main guy.

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rob d 2

Ultralighter
Thanks Mole. That's what I'd envisaged. It just means the pull on the tie outs may not be quite on the line they were designed for. But that will be related to how long the line attached to the tie outs is.
I need to experiment!
 

WilliamC

Thru Hiker
Speaking very roughly, the linelock/slidelock is free to move on the line so that as the force on one tie out increases/decreases, the support increases/decreases.
 
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