Knitted alternative to Alpha in kidsilk mohair.

cathyjc

Thru Hiker
I love my MacPac Nitro in Alpha and the lace-like structure reminded me of a couple of mohair jumpers I made many years ago but still wear. They are lightweight but not as light as the Nitro.
I wondered if I could knit a sweater in a lighter weight yarn and get a similar result but really light. The lightest weight yarn is "lace" and at this thinness the mohair is mixed with silk to retain strength along with the fluffiness.

I also knitted some sleeping bag socks. I'm hoping I will get nearly as much warmth from them as insulated booties and at considerable weight reduction (-yet to be tested).

Here are the results -

The sweater (with no hood) comes in at 90g which is giving the Alpha Nitro a run for it's money (110g with hood) and it's probably warmer with a wind proof than the Nitro.
More like a thin layer of down but you don't need any fabric layer to contain the insulation.
No idea on durability yet.

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Close up pen for scale.
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A pair of sleep socks in the kid mohair is 22g - lot less than insulated booties. knit on 3.5mm.

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And "fluffyness"

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Sorry about the poor focus - best this camera would do.

Construction details -

The yarn was Rowan Kidsilk Haze Stripe.
"Stripe" is now discontinued but they still do the plain Rowan Kidsilk Haze or you could mix up colours however you want.
There are other manufacturers of kidsilk lace yarn.
Needles 5mm for the main body, 3.5mm for the neck and 4mm for the hem and cuffs.
Pattern was taken from Ravelry - "in-the-round" and "top down". I think "bottom-up" would be easier.
Gauge was ~ 18/19 stitches to 10cms.

NB. the yarn is very slippery on relatively big needles - wooden needles might be better to prevent dropped stitches.

The pattern I used was for a woman - you might need a mens pattern - there are many many on Ravelry.

PS. and many hours sat in front of the TV knitting.......
 
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Chip

Backpacker
Interesting! Might put it on my to-knit list :) Would love hearing a report back on warmth when you’ve tried out the sleep socks!
 

Teepee

Thru Hiker
Mohair stuff is great. Like silk, it's very tolerant of temp changes.

I've got a few bit's from Mohair, used to wear it a lot.

Quiviut wool for the next ones? :biggrin:
 

Dickybeau

Ultralighter
I love my MacPac Nitro in Alpha and the lace-like structure reminded me of a couple of mohair jumpers I made many years ago but still wear. They are lightweight but not as light as the Nitro.
I wondered if I could knit a sweater in a lighter weight yarn and get a similar result but really light. The lightest weight yarn is "lace" and at this thinness the mohair is mixed with silk to retain strength along with the fluffiness.

I also knitted some sleeping bag socks. I'm hoping I will get nearly as much warmth from them as insulated booties and at considerable weight reduction (-yet to be tested).

Here are the results -

The sweater (with no hood) comes in at 90g which is giving the Alpha Nitro a run for it's money (110g with hood) and it's probably warmer with a wind proof than the Nitro.
More like a thin layer of down but you don't need any fabric layer to contain the insulation.
No idea on durability yet.

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Close up pen for scale.
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A pair of sleep socks in the kid mohair is 22g - lot less than insulated booties. knit on 3.5mm.

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And "fluffyness"

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Sorry about the poor focus - best this camera would do.

Construction details -

The yarn was Rowan Kidsilk Haze Stripe.
"Stripe" is now discontinued but they still do the plain Rowan Kidsilk Haze or you could mix up colours however you want.
There are other manufacturers of kidsilk lace yarn.
Needles 5mm for the main body, 3.5mm for the neck and 4mm for the hem and cuffs.
Pattern was taken from Ravelry - "in-the-round" and "top down". I think "bottom-up" would be easier.
Gauge was ~ 18/19 stitches to 10cms.

NB. the yarn is very slippery on relatively big needles - wooden needles might be better to prevent dropped stitches.

The pattern I used was for a woman - you might need a mens pattern - there are many many on Ravelry.

PS. and many hours sat in front of the TV knitting.......
Thanks Cathy. I’m about to be experimented on.
 

cathyjc

Thru Hiker
Mohair stuff is great. Like silk, it's very tolerant of temp changes.

I've got a few bit's from Mohair, used to wear it a lot.

Quiviut wool for the next ones? :biggrin:
At £104 for 25g I might just give it a miss ........ :whistling: Also the stuff I found wasn't fluffy like the kidsilk mohair.

It's the long fluffy fibers that means you can knit with a very open texture (less yarn) and the fibers fill the holes creating the insulation.
A smoother yarn will need a denser knit and therefore a greater (and heavier) quantity of yarn.
There are only 150,000 Musk Ox and they are threatened by climate change - not sure how ethical using their wool is.

Alpaca and Vicuna are good ( and expensive) but I've not seen them spun into a yarn with a long 'fluffy' pile.
 

Teepee

Thru Hiker
At £104 for 25g I might just give it a miss ........ :whistling: Also the stuff I found wasn't fluffy like the kidsilk mohair.

It's the long fluffy fibers that means you can knit with a very open texture (less yarn) and the fibers fill the holes creating the insulation.
A smoother yarn will need a denser knit and therefore a greater (and heavier) quantity of yarn.
There are only 150,000 Musk Ox and they are threatened by climate change - not sure how ethical using their wool is.

Alpaca and Vicuna are good ( and expensive) but I've not seen them spun into a yarn with a long 'fluffy' pile.

It's collected when they molt in the spring. It just drops off or it gets combed out in farms. They are now farmed. Traditionally, it was just collected like Eider down.

I worked as a wild Musk Ox comber for a while. You have to sneak up on them with a brush and run away really fast.
 

cathyjc

Thru Hiker
It's collected when they molt in the spring. It just drops off or it gets combed out in farms. They are now farmed. Traditionally, it was just collected like Eider down.

I worked as a wild Musk Ox comber for a while. You have to sneak up on them with a brush and run away really fast.
:cool:
 

The Cumbrian

Section Hiker
It's collected when they molt in the spring. It just drops off or it gets combed out in farms. They are now farmed. Traditionally, it was just collected like Eider down.

I worked as a wild Musk Ox comber for a while. You have to sneak up on them with a brush and run away really fast.
I had to check the date on that one...
 

Chip

Backpacker
Alpaca and Vicuna are good ( and expensive) but I've not seen them spun into a yarn with a long 'fluffy' pile.

I haven’t tried any yet, but there are brushed alpaca-silk yarns that are similar in structure to silk-mohair
 

cathyjc

Thru Hiker
I haven’t tried any yet, but there are brushed alpaca-silk yarns that are similar in structure to silk-mohair
Another knitter ?? :)
I have a goodly stash of the Rowan Kidsilk Haze to use up - so better not go getting tempted to buy anything else .......
 

Chip

Backpacker
Another knitter ?? :)
I have a goodly stash of the Rowan Kidsilk Haze to use up - so better not go getting tempted to buy anything else .......
Heavily into sweater knitting at the moment, but had never considered combining my knitting hobby with my ultralight hiking myog-hobby before you made this post :) Very impressed by you making a whole sweater out of lace yarn though, the patience! And I also definitely have some projects I need to finish off before allowing myself to by new yarn 😂
 
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