Is this just badly pitched...? Tents for windy conditions

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by maddogs, May 17, 2021.

  1. Norrland

    Norrland Ultralighter

    Maybe some of their most top of the line models could be compared with hilleberg but I'd say most of their stuff is not. But they are defiantly a quality tent maker that is for sure. They are however fantastic value for money. Both helsport and Bergens make a budget tunnel 2p tent specially for the XXL, Intersport and OutNorth retailers here in Sweden which are very similar to eachother. Cost around 2500sek each. Mind while these technically are 2p tunnels, they are of the lower ceiling variety and as such it likely wouldn't be so fun to spend long nights in for two.

    https://www.xxl.se/helsport-nordmarka-2-gron/p/1133560_1_style

    https://www.outnorth.se/bergans/trillemarka-2-pers-tent

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  2. Daniel

    Daniel Ultralighter

    big mids/tipis in big winds, the cimarron ul and Aston St 60+ a lineloc snapped on the cimarron but survived, cimarron sil 50ish, kiva 70, mondomid 40ish, Sierra designs 50mph, helpsort had seen 60 a few times, sl3 50mph, hoopla 4 35. 20161002_075915.jpg 20170609_204856.jpg 20171022_191202.jpg 20180317_090316.jpg 20190811_075926.jpg 20200126_110942.jpg 20200208_092115.jpg 20190810_215726.jpg 20200105_124632.jpg
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  3. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    The Vortex is no longer available (and too heavy) but Vango and Force Ten do have a good selection https://www.vango.co.uk/gb/241-tents#/capacity-2_person_tent

    The Mirage, MTN2 or Xenon might fit the bill. I had a F10 Nitro (predecessor to the Xenon) and it was a fine tent. It wasn’t suitable for people over 6ft though. The Xenon UL2+ Might be a good option. The TBS system adds stability. Only 2.4kg.
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  4. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    Flex, yes
    Flap, no.
  5. Pala2

    Pala2 Summit Camper

    I can personnally confirm: I have been in Scotland in autumn in that exact tent with the guy who shot the video :)
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  6. maddogs

    maddogs Ultralighter

    Lots of great suggestions and experience, thanks, everyone!

    :roflmao: I'll be carrying it on my back, not in the car :)

    I think my limit is the Nallo 2 at 2.1kg (fly, inner, poles). I see that as the reference point in my spectrum of weight/stability, I'm now trying to work out how much trade-off there is to go lighter.

    FjallRaven ABISKO LITE 2 is looking interesting at 1.8kg. Good vents, longitudinal guy lines fitted, generally seems well thought out. Can't find any videos of it in the wind though. Unclear if it will pitch outer first (i.e. are there straps between the pole eyes to limit the width of the fly...guess that could be DIYd with a bit of 1.5mm cord)

    Same weight at Lightwave t20 hyper, though I don't like the look of the central zip on that, and I've never seen one pitched on a campsite looking taut.

    Nordisk Halland 2 LW at 1.3kg is much better weight-wise...their wind tunnel video shows a LOT of give at 50kph ish which I don't like as much, but clearly it didn't break.


    compared with Hilleberg Nallo (3), and this one doesn't have the peak guys fitted.
  7. maddogs

    maddogs Ultralighter

    ...and you survived ;)

    Does the Anjan have attachment points for longitudinal guy lines somewhere near the top of the poles/on the peak vent?
    They are there on the Nallo vent, as far as I can tell. Haven't found a decent photo of an Anjan to find that out.
  8. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    The Xenon 2 is 1.9kg. Trail weight is 1.64kg (I presume that means minus pegs and repair kit, F10s come with a repair kit).
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  9. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Nallo 2 = 2.1kg
    Abisko Lite = 1.8kg
    The difference is 300g = a cup of water.

    I don't know the Abisko - but I do know when the **** hits the fan I'd be glad it was a Nallo I was holed up in .......
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  10. maddogs

    maddogs Ultralighter

    very wise words!
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  11. Pala2

    Pala2 Summit Camper

    I don't remember other attachment points than the ones on the poles
  12. Myles21

    Myles21 Ultralighter

    Looked at the Abisko - it seems good quality and supposed to be between the yellow and red Hillebergs in terms of fabrics, though I think the DAC poles might be between the red and black Hillebergs. The fly is a combo of 40d and 20d silnylon. The venting options look excellent and I seem to remember the internal and vestibule dimensions are pretty good too. Quite a bit cheaper and a bit lighter than a Nallo. In the end we decided on the Nallo for overall strength and build quality.
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  13. tom

    tom Thru Hiker

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  14. maddogs

    maddogs Ultralighter

    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Can't see anyone getting a wink of sleep in that ;)
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  15. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    If you are going to be out in it for 2 months in late Scottish autumn it's not just about "surviving" it's about being liveable/comfortable too.
    Otherwise why bother ? 2 months of misery ??
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  16. maddogs

    maddogs Ultralighter

    Yes the venting on the Absiko appeals...a lot easier to adjust than going outside to do the rear zip on the nallo (how much rain gets in if you leave that zip vent open on the Nallo?)

    Nallo is 30d fly; Anjan is 20d fly. Tear strength unspecified for the Fjallraven, though they make a deal of their Triple Sil/Sil, ,they don't really say what it is.

    Poles on the Absiko are 9.6mm; 9mm on the Hilles.
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  17. tom

    tom Thru Hiker

    For starters, I'd pitch either end into the wind ... ;)
  18. Norrland

    Norrland Ultralighter

    Fjällräven tents are a lot less overpriced than their clothing counterparts. Been in a few showrooms in Sweden with them all on display and they truly are beautifully made. Honestly couldn't say they were any worse quality than Hillebergs. But I think most people would just pay the extra 2000sek or so for the Hilleberg if they are already in that price range. That's the trouble with trying to compete with them.
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  19. maddogs

    maddogs Ultralighter

  20. Myles21

    Myles21 Ultralighter

    The main fly fabric of the Abisko is 20d triple coated sil (like Hilleberg Yellow label tents) , but with a band around the lower edge of 40d (like Hilleberg Black labels) to prevent abrasion. The red label Hille tents use 9mm DAC poles, the black labels use 10mm. I think the Abisko seems to provide a good combination of strength and weight - enough to go for the 3 person maybe? You might really appreciate the extra room.
  21. maddogs

    maddogs Ultralighter

    I'd prefer to save weight than go bigger. I'm only 5'7; my wife is 5'4 we don't need the extra room of a bigger tent ;)
    Size-wise, the SS Li was fine for 150 nights, albeit in generally decent weather, and our now dead Voyager SL was fine for many 3-5 day Munro bagging trips (though I was always unhappy with its performance in the wind).

    notwithstanding @cathyjc's wisdom on the value of just 300g, I'm quite tempted to try the Abisko as a compromise tent. Bit lighter, more convenient vents, vs unknown reputation and a 20D vs 30D fly* and then there's GBP 550 vs 810...

    (*I don't expect the 40D hem/skirt will make a significant difference to wind performance as the guys are only attached to the 20D bit)

    Some great discussion, experience, suggestions and photos on this thread - huge thanks to all the contributors!!!
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  22. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    As stated I don't know the Abisko - it may be just fine for what you want.
    I do know the Nallo and would trust it.
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  23. FOX160

    FOX160 Thru Hiker

    Not too long after that Tarptent had placed a grommet each side near the vents to enable to insert a walking pole, including attaching a guy line.
    Unsure if this is present with the new version as shown below.

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  24. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    @FOX160 Good feature. If you have walking poles to help withstand a storm with, the single arch design is a good candidate for using the extra help in a useful way.
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  25. tom

    tom Thru Hiker

    I forgot about that but yes, mine had the grommets. I tested them once but didn't ever need to use them...

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