Important re wild camping Peak District

Discussion in 'Hiking Chat' started by Chiseller, Dec 22, 2019.

  1. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    Maybe there should be a sub-forum for silly threads with "District" in the title. ;)
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  2. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Na you don't want skin, you want sinew lol
  3. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    Fee, fi, ho-hum, mutter.
    I smell the blood of a guyline cutter

    Be he live or be he dead,
    I'll plait his sinews to make new braid.
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  4. dovidola

    dovidola Thru Hiker

    Joking apart folks, it's only a matter of time until some moron in the woke community decides we're doing something to offend against some ill-informed lunacy or other, and that 'activism' is the way forward. It is to be hoped that they pick on @Rog Tallbloke (and his butchering/dissecting skills) first.
  5. Michael_x

    Michael_x Section Hiker

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  6. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I did laugh when radio 4 had a middle class presenter doing a show asking 'what's the point of the national trust?'
    They decided it was bad as it was just somewhere for middle class people to take their kids.
    They never thought to explain what was bad about that, I guess they assumed we'd already know.
  7. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    The point of the national trust is that it's OUR LAND. Not the government's. Not the quango's. OURS.
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  8. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    Oh no someone has been reading the Guardian again. If George Monbiot says it then it must be well researched and true - NOT!

    It is unlawful to wild camp on access land now. under the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000. If this consultation becomes law the only difference will be if you refuse to move on then the landowner can get the Police involved. I honestly can't see the Police getting out of their car to walk 4 miles and climb 500m to ask someone sleeping in a bivy to "move on or we'll arrest you and if you can't pay the fine we have your gear confiscated anyway to pay it".
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  9. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    I have sharpened my Victorinox Classic and stand ready to face the onslaught of Wokism with the Yorkshire Trained Bands. If you do not stand up for your right to roam freely (subject to your carrier and plan), this country will end up like... Sweden... oh... wait... ;)
  10. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I have no problem with discussing the rights and wrongs of the decisions affecting hiking in the UK, the LD etc but are we now free to discuss politics/air our prejudices? If so, that's also fine by me but as someone who has been rebuked in the past for mentioning the EU's treatment of Greece I would like to know if the rules have changed.
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  11. Shewie

    Shewie Chief Slackpacker Staff Member

    As long as it’s still related to hiking I’m happy for the thread to continue, if it gets silly I can move it to Off Topic

    I’ve not really been following the thread if I’m honest
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  12. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    The thread is fine (IMO); it's some of the comments that don't follow the rules it seems to me.
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  13. Heltrekker

    Heltrekker Section Hiker

    Hmmmmm, choice of being cooped up in a car or a 4 mile walk to somewhere worthy of a bivvie - I bleedin' would, mind you, I'd be joining them for a brew not arresting them;)
  14. Padstowe

    Padstowe Thru Hiker

    I had a copper a few years back move me on, he decided to give me a hand taking the tent down. I told him "I can do it myself or sit on-top of it & take more time, your choice", He smiled & replied "well I can always take you down to the station then", to which I asked him if I really looked like someone who cares if they get arrested, his smile left him, the council bloke who had gone to get him looked on in disbelief & the copper walked off muttering "well you'd better be gone by the time am back".
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  15. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Have to say, if I got asked to move on, which has yet to happen, I would. Ultimately chances are I'm on some farmers land, ( or the Trust or forestry commission which is less clear cut for me). I don't have a right to camp there and consider it a bonus. I know others see things differently.
    It's be great if we lived on an island big enough to have US style public lands and national parks, but I think even there they are starting to tighten things up in the parks.

    Best let sleeping dogs lie.
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  16. Padstowe

    Padstowe Thru Hiker

    I moved, I just didn't let someone try to bully me.
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  17. Bmblbzzz

    Bmblbzzz Ultralighter

    https://www.gov.uk/government/consu...ice-powers-to-tackle-unauthorised-encampments
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  18. Bmblbzzz

    Bmblbzzz Ultralighter

    I haven't looked at that survey yet but it's been described on another forum as "full of leading questions" and
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  19. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

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  20. Michael_x

    Michael_x Section Hiker

    OK, I read it - carefully. As has been remarked it seems designed to get a certain set of answers, perhaps the ones it's authors want, and contains many leading questions loaded with assumptions.

    Just because it may have nothing to do with wild camping it does not mean the powers proposed could not be used against wild campers if legislated.
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  21. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Thru Hiker

    Ahhh, but that’s what the Police would say... :biggrin::D:biggrin:
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  22. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    Well, such legislation already exists in the Republic of Ireland and Scotland. I don't think either of these are known as wild camping police states. And I don't think any of the TL readers plan on setting up "encampments" and bringing vehicles along.
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  23. Bmblbzzz

    Bmblbzzz Ultralighter

    It certainly seems to be working from the assumption that various acts of being on other people's land should be a crime. It's a bit like when you're asked to review a product and given options from "excellent" to "acceptable" without the possibility of "no good at all". The way I see it there are three questions we might have about it:
    • Is it aimed solely at 'travellers' or is it using them as a wedge to also remove trekkers and discrete wild campers?
    • Whatever its intentions, will it ever be used to prosecute trekkers and discrete wild campers?
    • Will irate farmers etc use it to threaten wild campers with the police etc?
    To which my tentative answers would be:
    • I think it's probably aimed at groups of 'travellers', whether 'New Age', Romany, ravers, whatever.
    • Almost certainly. When it's possible for a law to be used in a particular way, it's bound to happen occasionally. But probably rarely and with what success, I'm not sure.
    • Probably, if they're irate. Whether the police would respond is another matter.
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  24. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    The only time I've been moved on was in the bois de Boulogne in Paris July 1977, 6am. Woke up by a policeman banging on my tent pole with his gun. We managed to get the tent down and packed up in record time.
  25. Michael_x

    Michael_x Section Hiker

    After a gruelling session trying to make sense of rail timetables, ticketing, split ticketing, super off peak, and such, for a few days holiday, the idea of #vanlife and taking a camper van strongly appeals. I shall resist the urge and restrict my forthcoming overnight encampment this weekend to a low profile dark green tent.

    Giving the police excessive and unnecessary powers, because, hey they are never going to use them, at least not against us, seems to me unwise.

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