Good value 'starter' underquilt?

BennyDee

Trail Blazer
Just dipping my toes in the forays of hammock camping, and it's of course going into winter...

I have a Cocoon Ultralight Mosquito Net Hammock en route (for £67 with free postage (bargain)), and already have a BPL Solo tarp, so feel like all I really need is something under me to keep me warm? Unless an inflatable roll mat will work? But I hear that underquilts might better/more comfortable etc.

Alpkit have their synthetic underquilt for £50-odd, which seems good value, but has anyone used it? Lighter than alternatives (e.g Snugpak and generic Amazon), and not sure if it will fit the Cocoon hammock as it's designed for their Mora, but good value nonetheless. Not UL at 700g, but could be a good first foray? Unless there are better options?

My roll mats are a regular XTherm and a Downmat 9, and then some self-inflating non insulated types.

Any suggestions or tips very welcome, as I've only ever 'swung' in summer inside my van!
 

Ed the Ted

Ultralighter
Before shelling out more I would try with your roll mats, either foam or thermarest self inflated type (not the neo-air type). See how (and whether) you like sleeping overnight in a hammock. I have given it a good go with foam, self insulated and a spenny underquilt, and i just don't think its for me personally.
 

Bopdude

Thru Hiker
I mainly hammock, love it, for cold I have a snugpak cocoon, I recently bought a Onetigris hideout underquilt to try, can be had for £35 ISH, anyway, used once and I was impressed, it will handle down to 0 I would have thought, as suggested above, try with your mats first maybe, although in my experience you'll be cold this time of year, when I do sleep with a mat I put everything inside a bivvy in the hammock, keeps everything in place hth
 

BennyDee

Trail Blazer
Before shelling out more I would try with your roll mats, either foam or thermarest self inflated type (not the neo-air type). See how (and whether) you like sleeping overnight in a hammock. I have given it a good go with foam, self insulated and a spenny underquilt, and i just don't think its for me personally.
Good shout actually. For max warmth I might try my Downmat inflated just enough for the insulation to puff up, but still saggy enough that it moulds to the hammock... Let's see how that works out!
 

Shewie

Chief Slackpacker
Staff member
I started with the Snugoak one after a mate designed it, did me well into minus double figures when paired with my Elite 4 bag

Decent bit of kit if you don't mind the bulk
 

Teepee

Thru Hiker
It's all down to personal preference.

I've got mats, foam pads and various underquilts. My bridge hammock is best with an inflatable mat rather than an underquilt, gathered end are usually better with UQ's or foam mats.

I do my extreme cold hangs with a downmat 9 combo'd with underquilts. I've done all my of -30c hangs with one with about half inflation.

Mats are quite handy as it allows you to go to ground as well.

Most folks find mats a bit tippy in hammocks, bit this is less troubling when you get your hammock balance. It's for this reason, and they aren't as good at keeping your shoulders warm that you don't find many folk recommending them.

My advice is not to skimp. Buy a proper down underquilt, not a budget job. If you don't like it, you can sell it again with a near zero loss. A decent underquilt always retains great value.
 

Bob-W

Trail Blazer
I've only tried a mat in a short hammock (Exped something or other, possibly Scout) and it wasn't comfy. Might be better in a longer hammock but I've since got a Cumulus Selva UQ so have used that. It looks like the Cocoon is 3.7m long so...

The Mora looks like it should fit any gathered end hammock as from shots it looks as if it's either a rectangle or a slight trapezoid shape. At the worst you could use it as a throw or quilt for guests! Annoyingly Alpkit quote a Clo value for the Mora rather than a temp rating but they use the same insulation (140gsm2 Thermolite T3E-ML Ecomade) for one of their sleeping bags which is rated to 8C so it's likely to be in that sort of range.

I recalled someone saying that Klymit did a hammock specific inflatable sleeping mat but a quick search shows it's £130+:oops: however that search also showed that DD hammocks do inflatable mats - https://www.ddhammocks.com/products/insulation at a very reasonable £25 or £32
 

dave_gowenlock

Trail Blazer
How did you get on @BennyDee ?

I used the Snugpak one when I did some colder weather hammocking. Was cheap and cheerful - but did the job well.

Sold it on eBay for practically the same I bought it for new - so I'd suggest going straight for this than messing around with a mat - they can be a bit of a faff detracts from the hammock experience IMO.
 

BennyDee

Trail Blazer
How did you get on @BennyDee ?

I used the Snugpak one when I did some colder weather hammocking. Was cheap and cheerful - but did the job well.

Sold it on eBay for practically the same I bought it for new - so I'd suggest going straight for this than messing around with a mat - they can be a bit of a faff detracts from the hammock experience IMO.
I ended up getting an Alpkit underquilt on Black Friday (I think it was) for something brilliant like sub-£30, but have been working too much to be able to get out and try it frustratingly! Will post a review when I do :)
 
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