Footwear and foot care

Shewie

Chief Slackpacker
Staff member
I thought it might be interesting to see how folk look at footwear choices and how you take care of your feet on long multiday hikes. I have a system, I'm not sure it's the best so looking to pick up some ideas with this one.
Generally speaking I think there's two different approaches to footwear choice, you either use a membraned shoe or boot and try to keep your feet dry, or you opt for a lighter, more minimal shoe and use a different process for looking after your feet, pro's and cons of each have been debated previously. I fall into the latter, it's quite a new idea to me having always been a firm believer that footwear for the hills should be heavy, robust and waterproof, it's only in the last three or four years that I've switched to a light trail shoe. The weather being what it is over here, there's a good chance on a long trip that with a light shoe your feet are going to get wet, sometimes for sustained periods, unless you take steps to look after your plates, day after day with wet feet starts to get unpleasant.
I still use a boot in winter for a number of reasons, if there's snow down I'm likely to be wearing a gaiter of some kind and there's a good chance I'll be wanting to keep my feet warm and dry, for the sake of this discussion let's stick to trail shoe routines.

Weather permitting I tend to go with ..
Scarpa ZG10 boots for the colder months:- November - February
Inov8 or Salomons for the warmer months:- March - October

When I was training for the TGOC in 2012 I bought a pair of Croc copies from the local market, they were part of my kit until I came to do the final pack for the trip. Because of the bulk I decided to drop them and regretted it for the whole trip, my hiking partner did take his I was supremely jealous at the end of each day when he had alternative footwear to slip on. Since the TGO, for longer trips (a week+) I've taken a second pair of footwear for evenings, more recently a pair of Vivo Barefoot Ultras which are lighter and more packable than Crocs. Fort shorter trips I'll take a pair of ankle length light Sealskinz, these can be worn inside wet footwear but still allow you treat and dry them first.


Dry Days

On the Trail

When the weather is dry and ground conditions are good, I wear two pairs of thin socks. A pair of Bridgedale Coolmax liners and a pair of X-Socks Trekking Expedition over the top. I find the Tactel liners do a great job of keeping my feet cool, they also wick moisture away from my feet and out to the X-Socks.

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Camp Routine

After a dry day moisture from sweat has built up in the shoes and socks, it's not always noticeable if it's pleasant weather but it will be there. I'll often keep my day socks on until I'm ready to retire for the night, at which point I'll give my feet a wash with Dr Bronners soap, then powder them Boots antibacterial foot powder and slip on a pair of bed socks. Depending on the weather these can be anything from a pair of light merino socks or if it's cold enough a pair of phd down booties. Overnight I'll remove my insoles and stand them up in my shoes, I find this gives them a good airing ready for the next day.

Extra

If mileage has been high or the terrain has been rough, there's a good chance with light shoes that feet might be a little tender at the end of the day, on days like these I find it helps to give them a bit more TLC. For this I use Gehwol foot creams, an antibacterial soothing and refreshing balm in the evenings and a barrier cream to reduce friction and chafing, this is applied in the morning ahead of a days walking. I use small 10ml aluminium screw top tins for my Gehwols, a green or red Airfix enamel spot on the lid shows which is which in my wash kit.


Wet Days

On the Trail

For soggy days, of which there are many, I still use the same shoe and sock system, I find two pairs of thin socks provide better blister protection when the feet are wet and vulnerable. With a light trail shoe and inclement weather it's inevitable that your feet are going to get wet at some point, for me that's usually five minutes down the trail in heavy rain. Wet feet can be warm feet though and eventually you don't even notice they're wet, if the weather breaks I find my shoes can be more or less dry after around 20 minutes.

Camp Routine

Arriving in camp with wet feet usually means I attend to them as soon as the shelter is up and I can get sorted. If I have my Vivos with me I'll get them on straight away and let my feet get some air, if I've packed Sealskinz I'll wash, dry and powder my feet before slipping them on.
Wet days can include bog crossings and river crossings, both of which mean you pick up debris as well as just water. A lot of the Scottish rivers I cross contain fine silt particles which can accumulate in the footbed and can cause blisters later. After days like these I make the effort to give my shoes and socks a good rinse out, taking out the insoles you can see the silt beginning to build up under the forefoot.
Overnight my insoles are propped up in my shoes again, if my shoes are sodden I'll move them to the side of my shelter which is catching the wind in the hope they'll dry a bit better, both pairs of socks are hung from a 1mm line hung inside my shelter. Depending on damp, airflow and condensation, by morning my shoes and socks can be anything from still sodden to almost dry.

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Extra

My feet do start to fall apart after multiple days in the wet, I have to keep on top of them otherwise I'm in bits after a week or so. Getting them dried and getting air to them I find works best for me, I know some folk have issues with powders blocking pores but it's not been an issue for me as far as I know. I'll sometimes give the Gehwols refreshing balm as miss after a wet day, preferring to keep my feet as clean and natural as I can. If it's wet again the next day I will start by applying Gehwols extra and then put on the damp socks from the previous day, and then the damp shoes. It can feel chilly at first but after five minutes of packing away camp my feet have usually warmed up enough that they no longer feel wet.


Other

River Crossings

Walk any kind of distance in the UK and you'll eventually be faced with a river crossing, folk have come up with some weird and wonderful solutions to footwear concerns but my approach is very simple. I just roll up my trouser legs and walk on through, shoes socks and all. If it's a dry day, twenty minutes down the trail and you're feet will be more or less dry, if it's a soggy day much of the water will drain fairly quickly but then I still follow the Wet Days system.

Bog Crossings

Much the same process as river crossings but I don't bother rolling up my trousers. On long stretches of bog you eventually give up trying to find the dry patches and just have to plough on through anyway, do enough of these and you begin to approach bogs differently. After some long bog days my feet have been an interesting colour, unless there's hot soapy water available it's just something you live with until you find a campsite and shower :)

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Heather Bashing

One item I add to my kit if I know there's heather to be bashed is a pair of light ankle gaiters, currently Rab Scree gaiters. With a low cut trail shoe I find them a magnet for sucking in bits of heather and irritating my feet, something light and quick drying is useful, waterproof is a waste of time with a pair of unlined trail shoes, the only thing you'll achieve is trapping moisture around your ankle.

Blisters

I've never really suffered too badly with blisters so I've not had a lot of experience with dealing with them. When I have I'm one of those who prefers to pop and drain them as soon as possible, I'll use a sterile needle to pop it, then toilet paper to wipe clean before applying a small dab of Savalon. Again I find lots of airflow helps with the healing process, once the skin has dried out I'll either leave it until I'm home or remove it with a sterile scalpel blade.

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That's kind of how I look after my feet and how I might prep for an upcoming trip, I hope it might be useful for somebody looking to try a trail shoe instead of a boot, I'll be interested to hear how others approach the same subject.
 

cathyjc

Thru Hiker
I don't usually have much problem with my feet.

The only time I get blisters or hot spots is when I've been on hard ground - tarmac/forestry roads/made trails. Just 1-2 miles on a hard surface can bring on discomfort and tendonitis. So I avoid them as much as possible - luckily in Scotland bogs abound and that's not so difficult ;).

I wear Inov8 most of the time now. Only wear heavy leather boots on snow when I expect to need spikes. GTX linings and snowsealed - so nominally waterproof. Get sweaty feet - live with it. Make sure they dry out overnight - wash occasionally but no special routine or unguents. Hang socks to air/dry in tent overnight and leave boots to air too.

Bogs - there's a skill to keeping your feet dry - I've had lots practice :smuggrin:. Getting snow down inside the tops of your boots is worse.

Rivers - If it's too deep to 'stay dry' I always remove my boots and wade across in Crocs. => no silt problems. The Crocs hang on the outside of the pack - doesn't look cool but solves the packing problem.
 

kiltedpict

Ultralighter
Shewie, your routine is pretty much what I did on the TGOC13 and it works so well it's not my standard. I think the Gewhol creams are fantastic!
 

Mole

Thru Hiker
Trail Shoes. Similar to Shewie. When wet: At the end of each day I wash my feet and also (or in morning/brewstop/lunchtime depending on when I feel like it,) if/when near running water,I usually rinse out trail shoes and socks till water runs reasonably clear. I hadn't used Gewohl till this winter, (jury is out - it feels/smells nice...) but I did regularly rub vaseline into the hard dry skin on feet to attempt to prevent waterlogging which can lead to delamination!

On roads/ hard ground with lots of miles, I tend to suffer from hotspots/even blisters on my forefeet just next to the balls. If on a long trip, I'll put a large compeed on that area of my soles and also cover with ZO tape to protect the compeed. Replace every 4 days or so. I take a 30ml bottle of acetone nail varnish remover to help easily remove ZO and compeed gunk from skin and socks. (Before I did this, the gunk was a PITA).

I mostly use trail shoes all year round. I use MVP socks like this (which aren't actually goretex at all). I've tried several other types (Rocky GTX, Neoprene, Sealskinz) but don't get on with them as well.
 

Munro277

Thru Hiker
i tend to wear 3 season sometimes 4 merino socks all yr round without any problems..winter proper and winter scotland i wear my mantas :( or my (about bald) brasher supalites...when snows left i wear inov-8 or salamon shoes with some custom foot beds..agree its best to wash socks shoes out as often as poss..big fan ogg gerwhol foot cream at end of day ..if temp allows i leave my feet out int air as long as poss and then foot cream before bed with some bed socks or down socks
 

gixer

Thru Hiker
Another trail runner user here, tried with boots but as said they inevitably get wet and take a age to dry out.
Also wear sealskinz if it's cold and wet, if it's warm and wet i just wear normal socks.

Don't bother with any creams or powders but then most my trips are under 5 days in length.
At night when i get changed into my PJ's then i usually have a wipe down with a couple of antiseptic wet wipes, this includes my feet.

At camp i wear my trail runner, either with no sock if they're wet or in the socks i've hiked the day in.

Never really had problems with my feet, or blisters but as i say my trips are 5 days and shorter.
 

Teepee

Thru Hiker
No matter what trip or footwear used, I always wear 2 pairs of socks and use multiple pairs in rotation over longer trips.

I don't really struggle with blisters, it's foot rot that gets me. It's bad. Unless I look after my feet well, they start breaking down. Sweat and damp really accellerate it.

Biggest discovery last year was Tea tree oil spray, I find it far more effective than drug based treatments. It treats both my footwear, and feet. A good rinse in a stream at the end of the day and a good dose of Tea Tree sees my plates much happer and almost non-hazardous. Gewohl barrier cream has been great too since Rich recommended it, it really works. If my feet stay dry, the barrier cream stays on all day, it almost feels like a second skin.

Routine wise, it's pretty much the same as Shewie. I'm quite new to using trainers for serious backpacking though after switching from boots last year.

The best 'luxury' of all luxuries on camp is a change of foowear. My feet are my most important 'tool' and happy feet are great. Very often, I take crocs to change into at night and for river crossings. It allows my feet to dry out.
On the CWT last year, I took the perverse luxury of a spare pair of ultramarathon trainers for camp use and also hiking. It was the best decision ever. I could rotate the shoes then-drying the wet pair on the pack and using the dry pair for dry sections.

When I'm out below 0c, I'm using Merino liner socks inside copper treated vapour barrier socks. As I'm not sweating into them, I can get 2 weeks wear without having to change socks If I geive them a light spray of iodine on my feet before donning the socks. Foot care is minimal with that system.

On the odd occasion I get a blister(burn blisters too) , I find leaving it alone works best for me. It's often shrunk back by morning and reattached itself. It always gets a spray or wipe of iodine though.
 

suggdozer

Section Hiker
You've pretty much covered it Rich , just moving into trail shoe territory this year ,always use sock liners and and sox , just need to find the correct footware after years of buying boots that turn out to be wrongly sized or not as they were advertised I'm in need of a proper fitting service , Gewhal creams are tops and really relieve sore feet, my feet are wet after long days / multi day hikes through perspiration whatever the weather so breathable sox and lighter footware is my next move.
 

EM - paul

Thru Hiker
clean feet with baby wipe, dry and don fresh socks. Only ever wear a single pair of socks, not had blister problems since moving away from 'proper boots' to trail shoes. My feet have always been tough. probably due to carrying excess lard for so many years :D
 

oreocereus

Thru Hiker
To bump an old thread: What Gewhol creams are you using?
I've never done a lot for my feet (i use a climbers balm on days where my feet are wet all day and end up all macerated), so browsing their website is a little overwhelming
 

oreocereus

Thru Hiker
Thanks Teepee:) I use my climbers salve if I have dry lips/hands/face/etc. does double duty on as a lip balm/moisturiser very well. Would the Gewhol extra work for those functions?
 

Teepee

Thru Hiker
It goes on quite thick, instructions are to apply 1mm thick it's fine for hands but not sure about face/lips. It tastes a bit funky too.
 

craige

Thru Hiker
My routine for the section of CWT I did was to rinse my soggy bog juice infused shoes in a river before I get to camp. Take shoes off once tent is up and let them dry for 5. Gewhols extra after then socks on. I forgot my skinners so I often ended up wandering around with my trainers sans insole and no sock. Recoated in gewhols in the morning, then if I had a chance around mid day. First time I've not had even one blister and my feet were soaked constantly.
 

craige

Thru Hiker
Judging by how it's going so far I'll get around 3-4 weeks from a 75ml tube. I squeezed it into a 30ml screw top container.
 

Teepee

Thru Hiker
I found this interesting article from Andy Kirkpatrick. (https://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/skills/10_tips_on_staying_warm_in_winter_by_andy_kirkpatrick-6903) .

I appreciate he's generally talking about more extreme conditions than the average trekliter faces, but I was interested in no. 6. Has anyone experimented with plastic bags inside your socks in trail runners when the weather is cold?

It's a well used trick on here and in the Northern countries in boots. Cyclists do it a a lot too.

It has it's own foibles but can work very well. I quite like putting them over waterprof socks to stop them slowly wicking through and getting grit damaged,
 

tom

Thru Hiker
After years of foot problems in both light and heavier boots, I switched to mesh shoes for all 4 seasons and and including alpine summit and glacier terrain above 3000m. I tried various shoes, insoles, socks, and dexshell products for comfort, drying times (measured by weighing wet items at set intervals to compare), stability, and for varying kinds of terrain.

I have learned that if I get the combination right (for my feet), I need no footcare whatsoever - just as much fresh air as and when possible. I normally change socks every other day. Both socks and shoes dry overnight in most (3 season) conditions. I do usually carry some kind of camp shoe but only within a weight range of 70 - 100gr (the pair) max. I normally take shoes off during breaks (on warm days), a foot bath in a mountain stream (warm days) but my shoes are ok to wear throughout the evening, with dexshell if wet, when necessary (e.g. eating in village and camp footwear too basic or too cold etc).

I do carry a small amount of gehwohl extra (10gr) to treat all wounds and the occasional sore spot on a foot (no blisters since 2014).

As others have said, hard (tarmac, stone) ground is the greatest challenge (good arch profile insoles really help here). Also, I rarely hike through bog (quite rare in alpine locations) and when I do, I notice that bog "water" seems more aggressive on skin than rain/snow/rivers, or water picked up in grasses or undergrowth.

My shoes and socks are normally dry after 3 hours of walking (3 seasons) but hiking in wet feet all day for days on end is not unusual in the some parts of the Alps (e.g. Piemonte with a combo of frequent rain and not enough grazing due to depopulation). On one hike there, I counted the hours hiking in dry feet per day and some days I was lucky to get 1 single dry feet hiking hour). On another (9 day) trip, I hiked in snow pretty much all day every day.

Current 4 season setup - Brooks Cascadia, Currex Runpro insoles, Darntough element 1/4 (x2), 1x Dexshell (not sure which model) and 1 Bridgedale linersocks for bed and approach travel.
 

Foxster

Section Hiker
I've been a believer in just-let-your-feet-get-wet for some time but this winter the cold and wet of trail running seemed just nasty. I'd get home with muddy, wrinkled, sore feet. The shoes weren't dry for the next day too.

So I got some Salomon Wildcross GTX (Gore-Tex) trail runners a couple of months ago. Wish I'd done it sooner. I splash through the part-frozen puddles and mud without the unpleasant shock of the water oozing through to my feet. My fears that my feet would overheat or be very sweaty proved groundless.

I'll only use them in the winter but then that's pretty much what they are for. I'll be back in my Speedcrosses once things warm up and dry out a bit.
 

EM-Chiseller

Thru Hiker
I've been a believer in just-let-your-feet-get-wet for some time but this winter the cold and wet of trail running seemed just nasty. I'd get home with muddy, wrinkled, sore feet. The shoes weren't dry for the next day too.

So I got some Salomon Wildcross GTX (Gore-Tex) trail runners a couple of months ago. Wish I'd done it sooner. I splash through the part-frozen puddles and mud without the unpleasant shock of the water oozing through to my feet. My fears that my feet would overheat or be very sweaty proved groundless.

I'll only use them in the winter but then that's pretty much what they are for. I'll be back in my Speedcrosses once things warm up and dry out a bit.
I must confess... Since not been doing much running, I've been using gtx trainer boots on most walks this winter.... And I have enjoyed having dry warm feet..
 

Heltrekker

Section Hiker
After years of misery as a geology student wrestling with dubbin, leather boots that when wet weighed more than the cow they came from and thick knitted wool hiking socks, Goretex was invented - hallelujah!!!

Current routine is GTX boots with a decent pair of socks. At the moment I'm using Danish Endurance or Darn Tough - good blend of Merino and "technical" fibres. Even when they're soakd through, they don't feel wet against the skin. My prime consideration is finding a well fitting boot - cost is not an issue, I might scrimp and penny pinch on the rest of my kit, but if your feet aren't happy, you're going to have a miserable hike. My preference is Salewa, they are the perfect shape for my foot, when correctly laced with a good sock, I've never had a blister regardless of how muddy, wet or cold the conditions underfoot. I also have a pair of Salomon X-Alp Ultras, which are brilliant for ankle stability and have a very comfy insole, but just a teensy bit too wide for me to be 100% happy with them. They are my "day trip on scree slope boots". I'm testing out the Salewa Mountain Trainer Lite at the moment. They feel very different from the leather version, and I can't seem to get the lacing quite right - not sure if they've changed the last. On the plus side, I'm loving the new rubber compound they've developed for the sole, really grippy in all conditions I've tried it in from wet rock to soggy clay and frozen grass. Meindl fit brilliantly, but they are pricey and heavy compared to Salewa. I may well go back to the standard Salewa suede Mountain Trainer for my next pair of boots, just on the grounds of pure overall comfort for multi-day trips.

When I hike through heather, bogs, really muddy paths or long wet grass, I wear gaiters. I find my feet don't get wet through the footwear, but long grass especially soaks your trousers and socks, and all that water just follows gravity to fill yer boots!! I always take one pair of socks to wear, one to wash/dry out. When I can, I change them every other day, rinse or wash out the sweaty pair, and hang them to dry off a guy line. If my boots get really soaked, I turn them upside down packed with newspaper when I can get hold of it, which draws out the worst of it.

Once I'm in the tent, I leave my feet bare to air and just wear lightweight sandals for camp chores. When my feet have had a real hammering, I use a really good product from L'Occitan called Crème Pieds Karité made from Shea butter, lavender and mint oils. It's available in a 30ml tube and well worth the 50g odd indulgence for the feeling of bliss after massaging the feet with it
 

Jamess

Thru Hiker
The thread seems to have moved on without anyone responding to my question.

Has anyone tried using plastic bags next to the skin and no other waterproof membrane? If so, how did you find it?
 
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