Dan Durston/Massdrop X-Mid

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. Robert P

    Robert P Section Hiker

    I used the same line from backpackinglight on the apex lines on a Notch and was lucky and didn't have issues with it slipping. Maybe it hadn't been in sufficient wind to cause the issue; I certainly wouldn't choose to use that type of line any more.
  2. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    I think the black and white stuff was a bit smoother. The Extremtextil cord is a bit rougher. It certainly seems to lock well.

    On the old Scarp, the single tie out either side on the pole arch wasn’t very stable and I often found a bit of slack. The new version has double tie out points (like Hillebergs) and is much better and more stable.
  3. markgoodlad

    markgoodlad Trail Blazer

    I changed all the guy lines on my tarps and tents to 2mm dyneema. Have not had this slip in LL or (trucker-hitch) knots even in pretty windy conditions.

    I bought this: https://nordisk.co.uk/dyneema-20-mm-guy-rope/mustard-yellow/p/152/1484
    Expensive but it is strong and it reflects well at night. It looks very similar to the cordage used on my TT Aeon.
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  4. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    Maybe the constant tension on the Notch works in its favour.
  5. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    From ebay page:


    Who knows? Maybe I’ll test it in the garden!
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  6. markgoodlad

    markgoodlad Trail Blazer

    Would that not generate significant amounts of condensation in a single wall tent as it would restrict airflow?
    Understand in a wet climate that you want to stop splashes coming in under the fly.
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  7. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    The Clam Cleats are good for longer guy lines but less good on shorter lines since you can only shorten the line to half its maximum length.
    However, there is an alternative way of rigging them mentioned by Roger Caffin here on BPL. This way, the line can be shortened to zero (as with LL3s and similar). I find that this way they are easier to get fully taut as well. If you're used to using them the traditional way, it looks as if it shouldn't work but it does.
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  8. markgoodlad

    markgoodlad Trail Blazer

    Signed up for notifications! I guess this is the 2P tent many of us have been waiting for.

    Taking advantage of the geometry and the single wall, if this can fit two wide 9cm pads with sub-zero lofted quilts without catching the walls too much then hopefully this allows the width and weight to be reduced?

    10cm bathtub floor with bug protection in Dyneema - so much easier to repair in the backcountry. Sure its going to be more expensive.

    As this is single wall, will this allow the tent to be pitched slightly higher or lower depending on conditions to improve airflow?
  9. Robin

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  10. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    I’ve just checked the Extremtextil line against the Tramplite line and it’s exactly the same diameter (in fact it looks totally identical), so if the Tramplite line is 1.5mm, that’s what I must’ve got from Etremtextil. It’s so long ago that I can’t find the email receipt to confirm. The Tramplite line takes some serious tension and I’ve never had it slip. Whether the EBay stuff is as good, I don’t know. Here’s a link to the Extremtextil 1.5mm cord which they say works with Clamcleat line loks https://www.extremtextil.de/en/dyneema-polyester-cord-1-5mm-16-windings-100m-roll.html
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  11. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

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    Robin Moderator Staff Member

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  13. FOX160

    FOX160 Thru Hiker

    No it doesn’t, also the breeze/wind doesn’t hit you in the face.
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  14. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

  15. Boozawooza

    Boozawooza Summit Camper

    Hi Dan, 2 questions if I may..

    Will the stargazer kit be available thru Amazon.co.uk to help avoid import duty etc?

    What length carbon pole would you suggest for the xmid 2p?
    Think I read 48" for the 1p? couldn't find an answer for the 2p

  16. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    If it's available on Amazon UK, I think you'll still have to pay duty+VAT, just you'll pay it upfront to Amazon rather than on delivery.*

    *Unless the tent is shipping from inside the UK, which is unlikely.
  17. dandurston

    dandurston Ultralighter

    Sorry I didn't see this sooner. The Stargazers are mostly sold out now. We have supplies to build 750 and have sold 700 so we closed orders to be safe. We have about 400 shipped out now. Once we get the last 300 shipped out we'll probably be able to take another 50 or so orders. After that, we'll probably get more supplies to build more in a few months.

    Right now we're just selling them on DurstonGear.com because we're building them down in the basement. It's a real mom-and-pop operation. Getting set up with Amazon would be a fair bit of work - especially because if you want to reliably sell on Amazon in a given country (e.g. Amazon UK) you need to actually open an account with each one, rather than hoping they import stock from Amazon USA. Once we are selling tents we might do that, but it's probably more work than it's worth for us to sell a dozen or so kits in the UK. We do want to make things as efficient as possible for international customers though, so if there are ways we can ship them with less tax we'll certainly try to do that. Right now we're shipping via Canada Post that arrives via Royal Mail. I've got a few reports of no duties.

    For poles, the 1P tents to pitch around 47". We recommend 48" poles because that's all there really is and you can angle them a bit. The 2P pitches about 1/2 higher at 47.5". We are working on a sweet custom pole set that will have one flick lock adjuster to adjust from 45-52" or so. That's be perfect (carbon, 5 piece, adjustable) but with how long production lead times are we won't have that until next spring. So I recommend a non-adjustable 48" pole in the mean time.

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