Dan Durston/Massdrop X-Mid

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. dandurston

    dandurston Ultralighter

  2. tom

    tom Thru Hiker

    I agree, rubbing is an issue. But to get sleeping space on both sides of the poles, I found they need to have quite an angle which will easily get them knocked over, especially with the handles on a slippery silnylon or polycro floor. I've started looking for something that might serve as a small shallow little "bowl" - just big enough to take a trekking pole handle top - to attach a small spike (1 or 1 1/2 inch should be enough) underneath. This could be placed beneath any floor material to give the poles a little extra anchoring. But I'm still looking for something suitable to play with...

    Alternatively. The A-frame can be shortened and made steeper to get more distance from the fly...

    I'll probably take both a A-frame connectors (for extra space in calm conditions) and something to anchor the angeled vertical pole setup when needed...
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  3. Jaco

    Jaco Trekker

    My X-Mid 2P unexpectedly arrived yesterday, too, and also luckily without any customs fees - huge thanks to Dan and Matt for side-stepping the Amazon mess. It'll go up over the weekend for an inspection and hopefully my wife's approval. We used to squeeze into my old Zoid 2 and the X-Mid should be much more livable (at 1/3rd less weight - amazing how gear gets better!)

    It'd be great if Dan's pack was available on Kaviso, too; via Amazon with the delivery fee & customs it ends up a wee bit too expensive to take a gamble on the fitting.
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  4. Robert P

    Robert P Section Hiker

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  5. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    @dandurston Will the floor size be the same as 2p with Pro?
  6. dandurston

    dandurston Ultralighter

    A lot of aspects of the 2P Pro are still up in the air as we work through various prototypes this summer, so I'm hesitant to release details partly because things will change but also because I want to save some excitement for the actual launch. In general, I lean towards making it a bit smaller because the regular 2P is quite generous and then a singlewall feels even larger yet, but I am open to hearing feedback on what people would like.
  7. Boozawooza

    Boozawooza Summit Camper

    Ooh exciting news. Yes the current 2p would be too big. Roughly what weight range are we looking at?
  8. dandurston

    dandurston Ultralighter

    Right now we're saying "sub 1.5 lbs" (or "sub 700g" for those that use the superior metric system). I hope we can do a bit better than that, but it's hard to say until the design nears finalization. We're going to be testing a wide range of prototypes all summer, and then doing a pre-sale in the fall for spring delivery. The sign up for that is on DurstonGear.com
  9. Boozawooza

    Boozawooza Summit Camper

    The floor material choice must be a tricky one to call.
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  10. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    I'd like to test one of the prototypes you think is too big.
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  11. Stumpghes

    Stumpghes Summit Camper

    I vote for floor size to remain the same as 2p. Inner walls sloping a bit to allow would be ok. Wide floor one of best features of 2p.
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  12. JRT

    JRT Trail Blazer

    A single-wall tent would put me off, which is a shame because I'd love a DCF X-MID. 1.5p (somewhere between the 1p and 2p) would be ideal. IME most people don't share their 2p tents between two people anyway. They just want that extra space to move around.
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  13. Allsquare

    Allsquare Summit Camper

    I don't understand the 1+ thing unless you're larger/taller than the tent was designed for especially on a trekking pole tent. But then I don't see the point of ultralight tents, unless you're in them as little as possible....
  14. dandurston

    dandurston Ultralighter

    Ideally we'd have a complete lineup of X-Mids where we have various sizes (1P, 2P, maybe 1.5P), single and doublewall, two fabrics (poly, DCF), and both mesh and solid inners, so there is the perfect tent for everyone. But that's a lot of tents (up to 24 models) and some models would be a lot more popular than others.

    For this fall we are working on updates to the 1P and then for next spring we are working on a DCF singlewall 2P and solid inners for the 1P and 2P. After that we'll continue to update the versions we have and likely add more. I'd also like to do a DCF singlewall 1P and doublewall DCF versions - and maybe a more affordable poly singlewall version, although that's probably not too popular in the UK.
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  15. Micksjoiner

    Micksjoiner Trail Blazer

    1.5 DCF single walled with no condensation for upcoming thru hike please
  16. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Because the 2p is actually pretty big, I think there'd be a market for 1.5p (XL-Mid?) for those who like a bit more living space or are tall (to sleep diagonally) but for whom the 2p is too big for solo trips / limits campsite selection.
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  17. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    ...in a stealthy colour!

    That's what I was thinking with my comment below yours.
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  18. Rickyboyd

    Rickyboyd Summit Camper

    I’d have to agree. I’m not sure for 2 people I’d want our 2p inner any narrower. Personally I think it would be then entering the realms of tight.
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  19. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Ooh, that would get me interested.
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  20. girlinabox

    girlinabox Backpacker

    Well....the 'no customs fee' thing wasn't to be. I have just received an invoice from FedEx for my X-Mid for almost £100!!?? Anyone else? I'm not happy at all. The invoice firstly states the weight to be over 4kg, which for a 1kg tent with no packaging other than a small box is definitely inaccurate. It mentions disbursements fees as well? I have no clue what any of this means and I don't really want to pay it :( Kaviso told me to pay them $320, and that it'd be shipped through USPS International for free. Now it seems I'm going to be paying £320 in total which is way more than Amazon were charging - including their estimate of import fees!
    I'm so annoyed, and I don't even care if the tent is worth it anymore :arghh: This whole experience has been sour from the get-go.
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  21. Jaco

    Jaco Trekker

    The same thing happened to me and I think it's just the way it goes - whatever the delivery method, we (the buyers) are liable for VAT and duty. The duty was a surprise, but so it goes. You can write to FedEx and try to wriggle out of the £12 processing fee by claiming you weren't informed of that, but I'd be concerned if that had implications for Kaviso who did right by us by sending them. Keep in mind that even altogether it's still a good price compared to, say, a Copper Spur UL2.

    Amazon are cheaper, but I'd guess that's due to their imaginative tax residency and maybe squeezing the price?

    My X-Mid 2P ordered from Amazon did turn up yesterday and I'd like to sell the spare to a tramper for what it cost me (£325.55) but can't post to the For Sale forum. Too few posts, I guess?
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  22. Floor

    Floor Day Walker

    Yep, £92.28 which is pretty annoying, as my Amazon order actually arrived unexpectedly yesterday as well, and I paid much less for that one. Just one of those things I guess and bad timing.
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  23. dandurston

    dandurston Ultralighter

    Sorry to hear about this. I think when Kaviso said it would be shipped for free they were referring to the shipping costs. A USPS package to the UK is ~$50 which they were absorbing rather than charging. But there are still taxes charged by the UK (VAT, tariffs), and fees by the courier. I'm not sure how that all breaks down. It should be based largely on value, not weight (e.g. 4kg shouldn't matter much), and it should be the same as via Amazon since the same taxes apply, except for the additional fees by the courier (e.g. "disbursement fee"). Except Amazon was cheaper, as you say. I'm not sure how they accomplish that, if it's just a bit that could be the extra FedEx disbursement fees making the difference, whereas if it's a lot they may be stating a lower value or something.

    Wow...that's surprising to hear multiple reports of those actually showing up. FWIW, the X-Mid 2P is selling for about 2x MSRP right now so you should be able to sell any extras quite easily for what you paid including costs. Reddit's UL gear page is an easy spot to sell one, although offering it within the UK first may be preferred.
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  24. maddogs

    maddogs Ultralighter

    If you keep it the same size, effectively you're creating the option of a double-wall using the existing inner and the new outer... (maybe with the application of a pair of scissors if you were planning to sew in a groundsheet on the new single wall).

    I'm very curious about the choice of "premium bonded construction" vs sewing (or both).

    As an aside, I've signed up for email alerts on the durstongear.com website several times and never received any emails (I have checked spam when folk here have kindly shared the updates). Anyone else have this (very very minor, first-world) problem?
  25. dandurston

    dandurston Ultralighter

    Bonding DCF is a lot better than sewing because it's waterproof and stitching doesn't hold well in DCF because the strands aren't woven together. The problem with bonding is that it can lose strength and/or slip in extreme temperatures (both hot and cold). So we're using a special type of 2 sided tape is applied and then pressed with heat to form a 'hot bond' that is far stronger yet and much more temperature stable. It's the best way to do DCF.

    Re. the mailing list - if you mean the general gear news list that is the pop up on my website, I don't email that much. I only email it when there is something big to announce, so it's been roughly a year since I've emailed it. The next email will be when the DCF tent is fully unveiled. I do also have stock notification email lists on the 1P and 2P pages that get mailed more often when those batches arrive.

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