£20 to wild camp?

Discussion in 'Hiking Chat' started by Fossil Bluff, May 30, 2019.

  1. Rmr

    Rmr Section Hiker

    I would like to know who is going to be covering the countryside looking for wild campers and checking permits, perhaps they will use drones. I can't see how this would be enforceable, why would another wild camper even suggest this.
  2. Rmr

    Rmr Section Hiker

    Forgot to ask, but what would these permits weigh?
  3. Adam Peel

    Adam Peel Summit Camper

    True, but by the same token in theory you should have permission from landowners (obviously no one seeks this). If this thing was really going to be regulated then I’m sure landowners wouldn’t mind signing up to the scheme whether via a small levy or similar and the permit covering those lands. In that sense permission is granted.

    Let me be straight. I’d much rather we have a similar situation to the Land Reform Act in Scotland that legalises it almost totally and for free. But IF this was to be regulated I’d rather contribute towards something that is beneficial to what we like doing.

    Also, of course it won’t be policed - even by drones. But my suggestion isn’t a preference, I don’t want this to happen. Just saying that if regulation were to happen I’d prefer it to be along this route.
  4. Patrick

    Patrick Ultralighter

    But why should it be wild campers paying for the upkeep of the paths, MRTs etc? And, as you say, the money raised wouldn't be very significant anyway, especially once you'd taken the costs of administering the scheme, let alone the cost of patrols to enforce it (realistic? I suspect not). It's not, anyway, the bodies that do mountain rescue and work on on the paths that object to wild campers in any case, it's the landowners. I can't see any reason for England and Wales not to have the same unfettered access to at least upland areas that Scotland and the Scandinavian countries have throughout. Introducing ideas of licensing and fees seems wholly unnecessary.
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  5. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Thru Hiker

    Let’s not confuse access with wild camping. :) We do have access through the CROW Act, the same piece of legislation also stipulates that there is no right to camp (or paraglide).

    In respect of footpaths, technically they are highways. The local authority (sometimes delegated to the national park) has a responsibility to assess and maintain them.
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  6. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    What is really needed is a wholesale push to get the message out there as to how to behave responsibly in the "outdoors" - LNT etc.
    If all folks behaved properly then any idea re. fees becomes less relevant.
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  7. Diddi

    Diddi Thru Hiker

  8. Michael_x

    Michael_x Section Hiker

    A quote from their about page: "At the same time Nearly Wild Camping is a collection of location owners supporting each other towards a common purpose of making more of their living from the land and sharing its magic with others."

    Call me a cynic but this strikes me as yet another wizard wheeze the prime objective of which is to make money.

    Nothing wrong with that unless it becomes what economists term "rent seeking".

    {Hugely biased American libertarian definition of rent seeking : https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rentseeking.asp }
  9. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    Would be perfect for families wishing to introduce the kids to camping.
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2019
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  10. snow

    snow Trail Blazer

    Interesting! Unfortunately I think they are shooting themselves in the foot by not having a list of locations (even approximate) that I can see, and requiring £20 membership + the actual fee per night. Very expensive to try it out (maybe if the £20 membership included £10 towards your first camp or similar...). I guess if you are coming from the other direction (non-wild camping) it might be worth it, but for most on here it would be more of a one-off for purposes such as the one Baldy points out above.
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  11. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Good example of rent seeking is when some random guys stood at the entrance of a NT car park and charged for parking lol.

    Before the trust started doing that themselves...which isn't rs as they are providing a service.
  12. dovidola

    dovidola Thru Hiker

    I see there is the prospect of "Pottery" at some of the 'Nearly Wild Camping' sites. Oh goody! How did we ever manage without this essential ingredient of wild camp craft?

    With a bit of luck this scheme will crash and burn just like the other one.

    Why can't people just leave things alone? (Yes I know, money to be made...)
  13. snow

    snow Trail Blazer

    Think you are being a bit harsh, this one seems much better than the other - more basic campsite than “enhanced” wild camp. Many people don’t want to poop in a cathole but would like to camp more than 20cm away from the next tent I would think.

    Whether they manage to get anyone to cough up £20 with no idea of where or what that will get them is another matter... seems to have been running for a while so maybe they do!
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  14. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I like a bit of pottery.
    But I also like lobster and chocolate, but not at the same time lol!
  15. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Not even Langosta a la Catalana?
  16. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Thru Hiker

    Out of bed on the wrong side? :rolleyes:


    How did we ever manage without wild essential camp craft components like... titanium, silnylon, kerlon, cuben fibre, lycra and all the other base components of plastics.

    The Beaker Folk did very well 4000 years ago... going around, making beakers, out of pottery.

    Peace and love :kiss:
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  17. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Not even then!
    But we all have different tastes and each to there own!
  18. oreocereus

    oreocereus Thru Hiker

    If I wanted something a bit more organised, a cheap minimalist campsite with pottery might be quite appealing. Certainly sounds nicer and more interesting than most of the campsites I might check into halfway through/at the end of the trip to get a proper shower etc.
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  19. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Thru Hiker

    A cream tea wouldn’t go amiss either :)

  20. dovidola

    dovidola Thru Hiker

    Yes, probably. I'm feeling really much happier about pottery now.

    I not sure the Beaker People managed that well though - I've only ever heard of dead ones.

    On reflection @snow is right of course. This isn't quite like that other scheme and it hardly 'competes' with wild camping.

    Admittedly I avail myself liberally of the benefits of technology, but I like wild camping because I can kid myself I'm escaping from regulatory, commercial, digital and other civilised forces. I find that feeling of liberation quite intoxicating. So when it looks like anything might threaten that little idyll, I'm inclined to get defensive.
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  21. Fossil Bluff

    Fossil Bluff Thru Hiker

    I think we all do that, don't we? :)
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  22. Bmblbzzz

    Bmblbzzz Ultralighter

    Had a brief look at the Nearly Wild Camping scheme. On one hand, £20 a year and presumably then a fee per site is not wild camping. On the other, it doesn't really claim to be wild camping, it's small sites with a small feel but some convenience. Perhaps a bit like AirBnb compared to resort hotels... And £20 a year is half the price of the Camping and Caravan Club (or do I mean the Camping and Campervan Club, or whatever, I get those two mixed up).

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