Need advice for a 1p tent setup to weather Wales a Scotland conditions

dovidola

Thru Hiker
I have and use both the Luxe Hexpeak V4A (with Ali Inner) and 3F UL Lanshan 1 Pro. Both great options at a budget price. The Hexpeak will give you more protection and a larger vestibule, while the Lanshan is lighter, has a smaller footprint, and is quicker/simpler to pitch. The performance of both tents is highly dependant on pitching skill (as with Mids generally) and site selection.
 

Rog Tallbloke

Thru Hiker
I have and use both the Luxe Hexpeak V4A (with Ali Inner) and 3F UL Lanshan 1 Pro. Both great options at a budget price. The Hexpeak will give you more protection and a larger vestibule, while the Lanshan is lighter, has a smaller footprint, and is quicker/simpler to pitch. The performance of both tents is highly dependant on pitching skill (as with Mids generally) and site selection.
Which would you take to Scotland on a 10 day trip in September David?
 

JamesD

Trekker
Hi everyone sorry to bring up an old topic but I would like to find a pyramid and inner combination to suit my long lanky frame ( 6ft 3) Following the thoughts above maybe a hexpeak F6 and 3f inner might work. But maybe there's something lighter that than the F6 out there. The nylon is quite thick. There were others such as the Nigor and 3Sl but there no longer made. Any other options? I realise there are expensive options so maybe a used one?
 

dandurston

Section Hiker
I keep hearing loads about the X-Mid as well, but it seems sold out everyhwere I look and i cant seem to find any price for it.
Our production has been affected by a 4 month covid lockdown of our factory recently, so they have only reopened recently. We will have another batch in about 2-3 months (early 2022) and it's a good sized batch, but it will still sell out quickly (e.g. maybe a couple days) because there's a lot of pent up interest. So we recommend signing up for the stock notification email list on DurstonGear.com
 

craige

Thru Hiker
would you recormend this tent, i just keep hearing loads about it?
I would if you can get your hands on one. It's not up for summit camping in a hurricane but shy of that it's a very good tent for the money in my experience.
 

fqjiopjq28fq

Ultralighter
I've camped near the summit of Cadair Idris with a Lanshan 1 (on the hottest day of 2019) and it was fine (but still I was probably lucky).

I really like those tents, the new version is a bit longer so less inner in your face when sleeping. No they're not cottage gear quality but for the money great.

Never tried a Hexpeak V4A but if I'd known about them about about that time I would have bought one.

I had an Xmid 1 and I sold it. It's got pros like lots of inner space particularly around head and food and 2 doors but I found issues.

Personally, I'd get a Lanshan (maybe the 2 person because comfort) or a Hexpeak V4A because guaranteed available now.
 

dovidola

Thru Hiker
I'd echo what others have just said. The V4A is a truly capable tent and has been my go-to shelter since 2015. You need to learn how to set it up properly (as with all mids) and the inner can be a bit fiddly too. Don't buy the Luxe inner (too heavy) - there are compatible inners at lower weight (and price) on Ali. Last year I used a Lanshan 1 Pro and was impressed. Not quite as weather-worthy as the V4A but pretty good, with smaller footprint and simpler setup, and 690g for a tent (assuming you're a trekking pole user) at that price level is seriously light. Again, pitching technique and site selection count for a lot, and if you're looking for the ability to camp in all conditions then the Lanshan isn't the right choice. The V4A will stand up to more, but has its limit (as do all tents), hence I've a Scarp 1 on order for those 'special occasions'.

If you can find a used Tarptent Stratospire 1 within budget, that could be your do-it-all tent.
 

Mole

Thru Hiker
He's asking about tents for 6'3" person.

A V4a is not long enough IMO.
With an airmat, I found it tight lengthways for me at 6'. This compared to the various Tarptent models and Golite Hex3 which I use.

If you are interested in a rectangular Pyramid, Liteway do a longer one which they say is for those over 185cm.
 

TinTin

Thru Hiker
He's asking about tents for 6'3" person.

A V4a is not long enough IMO.
With an airmat, I found it tight lengthways for me at 6'. This compared to the various Tarptent models and Golite Hex3 which I use.

If you are interested in a rectangular Pyramid, Liteway do a longer one which they say is for those over 185cm.
The OP is 5'9"! @JamesD interjected about being 6'3". The people singing the praises of the Hexpeak are confirming what was said earlier in answer to the OP.
 

TinTin

Thru Hiker
Oh ok.
Just repeating yourselves to confuse James😁👍
I don't think you need to worry about James as he's clearly up to speed with need for v6 but disappointed at the weight. FWIW I've been through the 6'2" (in my case) conundrum and have decided that a Trailstar with centre pole at 135cm+ with me sleeping front to back is absolutely fine outside snow season. If I was buying a tent I think I'd go for a Stratospire 1, I had one in the Tarptent webcart but just hesitated long enough to not pay for it, mostly because I've not been inside one and £400 is a bit salty (for me) for something you've not had a proper poke around. I'd also consider an MLD Duomid.
 

Odd Man

Thru Hiker
I had an Xmid 1 and I sold it. It's got pros like lots of inner space particularly around head and food and 2 doors but I found issues.

Personally, I'd get a Lanshan (maybe the 2 person because comfort) or a Hexpeak V4A because guaranteed available now.

What didn't work for you?
 

fqjiopjq28fq

Ultralighter
What didn't work for you?

In descending order of importance all the way to nitpicking:

1) Pole-tip-up design not good in windy condition as the fly can easily get damaged (it's 20d silpoly).

2) As I recall the inside of each peak was (i) Reinforced with some kind thicker plastic (ii) Had a strip of webbing as a 'backstop' to the pole tip and (iii) another strip of webbing with a grommet to hold the actual pole tip in place. I found it difficult to keep the 'backstop webbing' over the pole tip so usually the tip was usually in direct contact with the reinforced fly which is not as designed and a potential failure point.

3) Because the tips were up the handles were down. I had the 1P version which has quite a narrow inner. Because the handles have little purchase on the ground I would often accidentally push the poles out a bit, I found this pretty unavoidable if not on absolutely flat ground.

4) The same 20d silpoly as used on the fly seemed too thin for the floor, although I never had any damage.

5) The inner's pockets were poorly stitched on and stuff would fall out of the overhead pocket as was too loose / saggy.

6) The zips leaked on me the first time I used it. I'm not sure if water actually dripped on any of my stuff or it just rolled down the zip towards the bottom because it was 2am but it did get through. They're billed water resistant, not waterproof, so fine. But one of the reasons I like MLD stuff is that there's a flap as well as water resistant zip (I think they see a lot of sales in the UK).

7) The included titanium V stakes are weak. I bent one on my first wild camp by mistake. I know they're Vargo and titanium so top of the line, but still I'd have preferred a standard aluminium Y-peg for example.

8) It says it's fully seam sealed on the site (https://durstongear.com/product/x-mid-1p) but it's not. Unless something's changed the stitching attaching the zips isn't sealed and will leak if you don't seal it. I understand this is probably a cost issue but the main thing that bothers me is that I wasn't aware of it before water was coming in because it said 'fully sealed'. Maybe it was in the instructions that came with it I'm not sure but I can't see it on the site.

9) Inner tent is mesh, not half solid or solid options. Another cost issue probably and to be fair why bother with the hassle when there's such a small market that would know or care about this.


Don't get me wrong there are lots of positives about it, they're in every review on the internet so I won't repeat them, but I found some negatives. In general the geometry is great and it's sold at a competitive price to its peers. It's obviously incredibly popular and doing well but not for me.
 
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tom

Thru Hiker
We have another luxe shelter and the quality matches the European and US products. Some years ago, a friend camped next to me at 2500m altitude in a 1p luxe in one the worst alpine storms I've camped in with no problems (I was in a TT rainbow). IMO Luxe shelters offer comparable strength to the top UL shelters at a moderate weight penalty but considerable cost savings. Personally, I wouldn't trust any Ali shelter above the tree line and other exposed locations.
 

Odd Man

Thru Hiker
In descending order of importance all the way to nitpicking:

1) Pole-tip-up design not good in windy condition as the fly can easily get damaged (it's 20d silpoly).

2) As I recall the inside of each peak was (i) Reinforced with some kind thicker plastic (ii) Had a strip of webbing as a 'backstop' to the pole tip and (iii) another strip of webbing with a grommet to hold the actual pole tip in place. I found it difficult to keep the 'backstop webbing' over the pole tip so usually the tip was usually in direct contact with the reinforced fly which is not as designed and a potential failure point.

3) Because the tips were up the handles were down. I had the 1P version which has quite a narrow inner. Because the handles have little purchase on the ground I would often accidentally push the poles out a bit, I found this pretty unavoidable if not on absolutely flat ground.

4) The same 20d silpoly as used on the fly seemed too thin for the floor, although I never had any damage.

5) The inner's pockets were poorly stitched on and stuff would fall out of the overhead pocket as was too loose / saggy.

6) The zips leaked on me the first time I used it. I'm not sure if water actually dripped on any of my stuff or it just rolled down the zip towards the bottom because it was 2am but it did get through. They're billed water resistant, not waterproof, so fine. But one of the reasons I like MLD stuff is that there's a flap as well as water resistant zip (I think they see a lot of sales in the UK).

7) The included titanium V stakes are weak. I bent one on my first wild camp by mistake. I know they're Vargo and titanium so top of the line, but still I'd have preferred a standard aluminium Y-peg for example.

8) It says it's fully seam sealed on the site (https://durstongear.com/product/x-mid-1p) but it's not. Unless something's changed the stitching attaching the zips isn't sealed and will leak if you don't seal it. I understand this is probably a cost issue but the main thing that bothers me is that I wasn't aware of it before water was coming in because it said 'fully sealed'. Maybe it was in the instructions that came with it I'm not sure but I can't see it on the site.

9) Inner tent is mesh, not half solid or solid options. Another cost issue probably and to be fair why bother with the hassle when there's such a small market that would know or care about this.


Don't get me wrong there are lots of positives about it, they're in every review on the internet so I won't repeat them, but I found some negatives. In general the geometry is great and it's sold at a competitive price to its peers. It's obviously incredibly popular and doing well but not for me.

Thanks. I always like to know the good and the bad, so I can keep my eye out for the bad.
 

Nevis

Thru Hiker
In descending order of importance all the way to nitpicking:

1) Pole-tip-up design not good in windy condition as the fly can easily get damaged (it's 20d silpoly).

2) As I recall the inside of each peak was (i) Reinforced with some kind thicker plastic (ii) Had a strip of webbing as a 'backstop' to the pole tip and (iii) another strip of webbing with a grommet to hold the actual pole tip in place. I found it difficult to keep the 'backstop webbing' over the pole tip so usually the tip was usually in direct contact with the reinforced fly which is not as designed and a potential failure point.

3) Because the tips were up the handles were down. I had the 1P version which has quite a narrow inner. Because the handles have little purchase on the ground I would often accidentally push the poles out a bit, I found this pretty unavoidable if not on absolutely flat ground.

4) The same 20d silpoly as used on the fly seemed too thin for the floor, although I never had any damage.

5) The inner's pockets were poorly stitched on and stuff would fall out of the overhead pocket as was too loose / saggy.

6) The zips leaked on me the first time I used it. I'm not sure if water actually dripped on any of my stuff or it just rolled down the zip towards the bottom because it was 2am but it did get through. They're billed water resistant, not waterproof, so fine. But one of the reasons I like MLD stuff is that there's a flap as well as water resistant zip (I think they see a lot of sales in the UK).

7) The included titanium V stakes are weak. I bent one on my first wild camp by mistake. I know they're Vargo and titanium so top of the line, but still I'd have preferred a standard aluminium Y-peg for example.

8) It says it's fully seam sealed on the site (https://durstongear.com/product/x-mid-1p) but it's not. Unless something's changed the stitching attaching the zips isn't sealed and will leak if you don't seal it. I understand this is probably a cost issue but the main thing that bothers me is that I wasn't aware of it before water was coming in because it said 'fully sealed'. Maybe it was in the instructions that came with it I'm not sure but I can't see it on the site.

9) Inner tent is mesh, not half solid or solid options. Another cost issue probably and to be fair why bother with the hassle when there's such a small market that would know or care about this.


Don't get me wrong there are lots of positives about it, they're in every review on the internet so I won't repeat them, but I found some negatives. In general the geometry is great and it's sold at a competitive price to its peers. It's obviously incredibly popular and doing well but not for me.
Have to say I've not suffered or thought any of the above was an issue, I've had mine out on some nasty wet and windy weather and come the morning it has been just as i left it when i went to bed. there has never been water ingress at all anywhere in the tent and i very rarely use a groundsheet with any tent. The issue with the overhead storage might be that the inner isn't pulled tight enough, though even when loose nothing falls out of mine, in fact it it was of the best features of the tent and i wish all my shelters had them.
 
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JamesD

Trekker
He's asking about tents for 6'3" person.

A V4a is not long enough IMO.
With an airmat, I found it tight lengthways for me at 6'. This compared to the various Tarptent models and Golite Hex3 which I use.

If you are interested in a rectangular Pyramid, Liteway do a longer one which they say is for those over 185cm.
Hi thanks for that. I'll seriously consider them. Has anyone tried one? Would never have found them. Slick website
 

fqjiopjq28fq

Ultralighter
Have to say I've not suffered or thought any of the above was an issue, I've had mine out on some nasty wet and windy weather and come the morning it has been just as i left it when i went to bed. there has never been water ingress at all anywhere in the tent and i very rarely use a groundsheet with any tent. The issue with the overhead storage might be that the inner isn't pulled tight enough, though even when loose nothing falls out of mine, in fact it it was of the best features of the tent and i wish all my shelters had them.

Most of what I wrote could reasonably be described as user error, unit defect, preferences, or nitpicking.

An objective fact is that unless something has changed in the manufacturing process it is not 'fully seam taped' as described. And it will leak through those unsealed seams with enough rain. Same with the zip (which is fine, that's how it's described).

Is this a big deal? I really don't think so. But it should be an easy job to fix the copy.
 
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