What? Cows murdering walkers

Discussion in 'Media Links' started by Daymoth, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    That’s a shark. You punch a shark on the nose.
    If you’re walking through a field in France and you’re attacked by a shark you know what to do.

    :asshat:
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  2. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    My worst encounter was with horses. I got knocked over and played dead - I’d have been kicked in the back if I’d moved. I made it to the gate after the horse moved off. My mates had been ahead of me and saw what had happened. Very frightening at the time. I wouldn’t go in field with strange horses now except in absolute necessity.
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  3. tom

    tom Thru Hiker

    Most probably it was mare who had bad hair day. Horses seem to respond to gender and when they interact with humans, commonly display different behavior to gender. In the 90s, I lived 6 month on a horse farm in a house that could only be accessed across a field in which an Arabian stallion lived permanently. He invariably knew the gender of all my visitors as they approached the gate - he was very sweet with all females but liked to (friendly) confront and challenge male visitors. Not for the faint hearted though ... he was as powerful as he was beautiful
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  4. tom

    tom Thru Hiker

    I'd second the advice here - give them a wide bearth, don't get in between calf and adult cow, don't turn your back or run, leave the dog home (or at least not.on.a leash). The nose is indeed the most effective way to control a bull but only for experts (drop on the ground and grap the nostrils with thumb and a finger is how my south Indian farm workers would catch a bull or an angry bullock on the loose).

    I do recommend on extra tip - avoid startling cows by letting them know you are there (they can be a bit spaced at times). In situations when I cannot give them a wide bearth, I approach them singing. It is well established that cows love music so this is a calming way to alert them to your presence.
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  5. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

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  6. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    This is from the local newspaper the Northern Echo.

    “We'd like to hear from anyone who thinks they might have information but have released the following descriptions of a number of people we would particularly like to trace.”

    "A white male with grey hair and a grey beard walking a dog is believed to have walked past the man and his friend shortly before the incident near a signpost on the footpath"

    I would not be surprised to find that the man walking his dog, who walked past the victims, possibly unbeknown to him, caused a stampeded and then got out of the way leaving the poor walkers to get trampled to death.
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  7. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    There was another tragedy 4 days earlier in the same area: "Richmond School teacher killed by cows while walking his dogs A deputy headteacher at Richmond School has been killed in a cow trampling incident while walking his dogs."

    Call me Sherlock if you like but I'm starting to think tht there is an elementary pattern starting to appear here.
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  8. Diddi

    Diddi Thru Hiker

    We avoid at all cost by going around the field thru rivers,over barbed wire fences and a mountain of nettles if possible...
    Not scared like :bag:.....:nailbiting:
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  9. dovidola

    dovidola Thru Hiker

    Every single such incident I've read about has involved people walking dogs - I'm sure there are those which don't, but I presume they're the exception.

    Somebody (sorry, I forget who) posted a link on here to a pressure group dealing with cow attacks, quite recently if I remember rightly. Once I'd stopped laughing at the hysterically one-sided and exaggerated viewpoint, it struck me that there wasn't a single mention of dogs on the whole site. Odd how people objecting to livestock had nothing whatsoever to say about introducing uninvited livestock onto farmers' fields.
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  10. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Sex or gender?

    I'm guessing horses aren't up on average gender expression differences betwix female/male. Happy to be corrected.
    I grew up with a dog that did the same. Didn't like men. I'm thinking he used smell.

    Worth keeping the distinction between sex and gender, the squeemishness involved using the word sex is causing much confusion!
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  11. Helen E

    Helen E Trail Blazer

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  12. dovidola

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  13. tom

    tom Thru Hiker

    @Enzo - not sure what the difference is supposed to be :unsure: but I'm not prescious about this. Happy to change it to sex...;)
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  14. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    The irony of that blog is there is absolutely no recognition that what lead to the injury had anything to do in any way with the person who put themselves between the cow and her calf or that taking a dog into a field of cows is a very, very stupid thing to do. No matter what our rights are those rights come with responsibilities.
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  15. lentenrose

    lentenrose Trail Blazer

    i was left in charge of a farm for a weekend----a walker left a gate open and the herd was in the wrong field----i started shooing them back and was doing well until i came to the bull----he wasn t moving------after a brief shooing i bottled it and called for a neighbour who rounded them up cowboy style on a quadbike----------ps they were beef cows -----more docile than dairy cows
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  16. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    We have had a couple of nervous incidents when bulls were showing us too much attention, but we gave them a wide berth and they lost interest.
    Fortunately for us, the cows here are docile, though they can be inquisitive. There was one time last year when a herd followed us for a couple of kilometres and wouldn't leave us alone.
    (Bozena trying to look unconcerned.)
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    And the year before we stopped with cows nearby to get water from a spring and have a cold coffee. Bozena pulled out a couple of carrier bags for us to sit on and the whole her came charging from far and wide. We had to move on a fair way before they lost interest. We reckoned (and this was later confirmed by a cowhand) that they're owner brought them salt in carrier bags and they thought they were in for a salt treat.
    [​IMG]

    We got charged by a donkey once. It came hurtling towards us from a couple of hundred metres away but stopped about ten metres from us when we started waving our arms around and shouting. I've no idea what that was about.
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  17. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    He was just being an a$$. :hilarious:
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  18. JRT

    JRT Backpacker

    They are quite simply a menace. But i don't blame the cows, i blame the farmers who put aggressive or nurturing herds in fields with footpaths. A friend of mine in the NFU said that some do it deliberately too, as they don't believe there should be rights of way on their land and want to deter walkers.

    We had a number of problems with cows while walking Hadrian's Wall with two dogs a few years back. Some farmers made an effort and fenced off the path, but many didn't. We met a couple of sweet old ladies who were trail wardens and they told us people were regularly seriously injured by cows on the trail.
  19. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    This is the before shot, all the cows out of shot scattered around the hillside:
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  20. DuneElliot

    DuneElliot Section Hiker

    I'll take horses over cows any day, at least in the UK. I've trained horses for years and read them better than I read people and know exactly how to work them to get respect from them and stop them being a general ass. I've only had one bad experience with a horse in the UK and the worst part was that there was electric fence across the right of way so there was no easy way round. He was kind of a bully with the other horses too. We were fine, but only because I know how to work with horses and what to do in order to get them to respect and pay attention and read their behavior...if it had been any other person in that field it could have been a whole different situation.
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  21. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I used to do a day a week at a dressage stable. The woman who ran it certainly knew how to get respect from the horse's when they played up. Reminded me of Basil Faulty!

    Gender is behaviour/expression, sex is whether you have lots of small mobile gametes or few large immobile ones.
    I'd split gender again into its parts that are constructed socially and the part that is effected by biology, hormones etc. Though of course they interact.
    Robert Trivers work on parental investment theory worth a look. Theory used in the scientific sense, I.e people have tried to falsify it, and so far failed.
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  22. SteG

    SteG Ultralighter

    Many moons ago
    Society- what sex are you?
    Transvestite- male
    Society- ok, what gender are you?
    Transvestite- female
    Society- ok thanks, we will come up with new label and call you a genderbender
  23. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    What a surprise.

    I love dogs, I have 3, a Border Collie, an Irish Setter and an English Springer Spaniel. I've worked on Farms in the distant past and I've fed and worked with cows. There is no way on this earth that I would expect to be able to walk through a field of cows with one or all of my dogs and not think I was taking a massive risk. I think that one of the problems is a lack of education of the issues among the general public and a lack of education amongst farmers regarding signage.

    There's a dilemma with signage. Farmers are not allowed to put up a sign that says "Danger, Bull in Field" as that would be taken to be using the sign to put off people from using the footpath. They must however under certain conditions put a sign saying "Bull in Field" if there is one.

    There are competing rights. The "public" have the right to pass and repass on a public right of way and they are allowed to walk their dogs on a public footpath. That right is set out as a line on a map. Farmers have the right to use their own or rented property to raise livestock.

    https://www.ramblers.org.uk/policy/england/rights-of-way/rights-of-way-and-cattle.aspx

    We are involved with a running club. One of their activities in the summer (pre-pandemic) was to organise social runs from a pub or cafe and have groups of different levels of ability do different routes starting and finishing at the "venue". Before each of these, for a few years, my wife and I have gone and checked out the routes and called in at farms on the way to tell the farmers what was going to happen and when. Every one of them has been welcoming. When we asked about cows in the fields the farmers volunteered to move the cows off and they were true to their word.

    There are some idiots on both sides of this argument but the way forward is education, dialog, taking personal responsibility for our actions and sticking to the current rules.
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  24. dovidola

    dovidola Thru Hiker

    I like cows, something about their big soulful eyes. I know very little about them though. Notwithstanding this, I sometimes can't resist the temptation to get close and have a little talk/sing at them - they seem not to mind. I realise I am living on borrowed time.
  25. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I think it's also worth knowing that you are less likely to get in trouble the more of you there are, same I think with all animal encounters. I'm normally on my tod so take more care.

    I'm going to regret bringing up sex/gender... But I think it's important. I'll pm you @SteG so as not to derail thread.
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