Ticks and Lyme Disease

Discussion in 'Hydration, Hygiene & Health' started by el manana, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Having or not having a 'bullseye' is not a guarantee of the tick carrying Lymes. It's an indicator, that says...'get this looked at' should the rings continue to expand.
  2. BlueTrain

    BlueTrain Trail Blazer

    That's probably obvious but it's a pretty good indication that you got a tick bite. I don't remember if I saw the tick or not. I usually found them on my legs. It's still a mystery to me why I haven't picked up any recently.
  3. dovidola

    dovidola Section Hiker

    On balance, I think it makes sense to avoid sexual intercourse with infected ticks, so I shall cease the practice. Till next time anyway. Probably.
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  4. PhilHo

    PhilHo Section Hiker

    Its true then! :whistling:
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  5. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Let's not be rash...
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  6. Bmblbzzz

    Bmblbzzz Trail Blazer

    Ticks are said to be increasing in number and in geographical spread in the UK as the numbers and range of deer have increased over the last decade or more. As they don't eat plants they're not affected by the changes in vegetation from agricultural practices or herbicides, which AIUI is what is hitting insects.
  7. PhilHo

    PhilHo Section Hiker

    Deer may be implicated but I recon the root cause is more likely to be because farmers are no longer legally obliged to dip for scab. Although deer use regular tracks their populations are still quite low except in certain areas, Hampshire, Scotland etc. If you read back on this thread you'll see that there are 4 instars in their life cycle each needing a blood feed from a vertebrate (bird or mammal). If the mouse or rabbit etc carries the bacterium then the tick will pick it up and can pass it on when it in the next instar has a blood meal. It is virtually impossible to eradicate parasites therefore you have to control them as best you can. Killing masses of ticks on sheep by dipping them twice a year kept the population of ticks down. Sheep provided an easy method to target ticks.
  8. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I was disputing the bullseye and tic bite... It's Lymes from the tic bite I was referring to... Rash doesn't mean you've contracted Lymes... And no rash doesn't mean you have not...
  9. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    More deer in the UK now than at any point I history I believe, they only have one predator left, and they are getting squeemish. Bad news for ground nesting birds etc.
    Paradox of empathy.
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  10. Diddi

    Diddi Thru Hiker

    My last wildcamp around Haweswater was in shorts for 2 days and knee deep in ferns for about 2 to 3 miles of my 11 mile walk. My camp was around 70+ deer all around the area I was in plus numerous sheep and wild horses.
    Must admit I was constantly checking for the little buggers but not 1 to be seen all weekend.
    Still never had a tick on me to this day :thumbsup:... why I do not know.
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  11. Bmblbzzz

    Bmblbzzz Trail Blazer

    The main predator of deer in Britain now is the one that breeds them. That's why so many.
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  12. PhilHo

    PhilHo Section Hiker

    I honestly don't think that the reasons for Lyme Disease prevalence growth is as simple as deer population growth. You need small mammals, medium mammals (or birds) and large mammals for the full life cycle of ticks. The ticks have to be in the same places as the blood meal providers and the ticks have to pick up the bacterium from an infected small mammal for it to be passed on to the next blood meal victim.

    Of 500,000 Roe deer in the UK 350,000 are in Scotland
    Of 360,000 Red deer in the UK 347,000 are in Scotland
    Of 100,000 Fallow Deer 90,000 are in England

    There are 23 million sheep in the UK. 25% of these are in Scotland and almost 50% are in Wales.

    The last map is of tick distribution growth. This isn't density just sightings.Compulsory dipping of sheep ended in the early 1990s (1993 I think).

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  13. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Be interesting to see the density for 2919
  14. PhilHo

    PhilHo Section Hiker

    I couldn't find a map of density for any year. I recon all that they record is presence of at least one siting so it doesn't really tell you that much other than ticks are spreading, or people are bothering to report or we now have better reporting channels.
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  15. Michael_x

    Michael_x Trail Blazer

    Suspect by then this will all be ancient history ;)
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  16. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

  17. Scottk

    Scottk Trail Blazer

    That would be a great test to have available. Must be much cheaper than having it done in a lab.
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