Ticks and Lyme Disease

Discussion in 'Hydration, Hygiene & Health' started by el manana, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. Patrick

    Patrick Summit Camper

    That's a very interesting point. Now I think about it I I don't remember the itch being so prominent when I used to get bitten many years ago. Indeed, the first bite I remember I didn't notice until the tick was well engorged and quite sizeable. But now they seem to itch very soon after becoming attached and it's years since I've removed anything other than an almost microscopic black dot. Same applies to the ticks the children pick up, and they seem to itch early on as well, but then they too have had plenty of exposure over the years...
  2. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I'll take that over Lymes, and horse fly bites.
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  3. Michael_x

    Michael_x Summit Camper

    I note mention of tick cards as removal tools. I've never used one and am curious what others think and folks views in general on the best tool(s) for tick removal.

    For myself I like hooks as they are easy to rotate whilst removing a tick and unscrewing seems to work more smoothly than a direct pull. They are also small enough to take almost no space in my first aid kits.

    Prior to hooks I used purpose designed fine tweezers that worked but not as easy to use.

    Long back, first ever tick, was the cotton thread lasso method. Best that can be said is it worked, eventually. Very fiddly.

    I've found being very short sighted is a distinct plus here, the zoom mode when glasses removed clearly has its uses.
  4. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    We've extracted A few with the twisters, all but one with ease. I wouldn't use anything else now.
  5. Patrick

    Patrick Summit Camper

    The "hooks" and cards are a very similar design in principle - both are a cutout "V" in a thin piece of plastic which is slid underneath the tick until it can be lifted off. The only difference is that the hooks have this mounted sideways on the end of a stick rather than being on the edge of a card. Both work equally well, in my experience. I almost always use a card, simply because it lives easily in my wallet, but I keep a hook because there are a few places a tick could attach - a web space, for example, which would be hard to get the card into. The "cutout V" design works well, though, and can even be improvised by cutting a V into the edge of a piece of thin acetate - it worked just as well as an "official" card!
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  6. Nigelp

    Nigelp Summit Camper

    I’ve ordered some more wrist sweet bands to try them around my ankle with some permethrin as a deterrent.
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  7. Padstowe

    Padstowe Section Hiker

    Anyone tried this way to remove ticks?
    "With a cotton swab, apply liquid soap in circles over the tick for about 30 to 60 seconds. Then, use a dry cotton swab to wipe away the soap. The tick will be found on the swab with its head intact. We found this “home remedy” to be fast, easy, and painless; it also doesn’t appear to rely on suffocation."
  8. Nigelp

    Nigelp Summit Camper

    Sounds like a load of faff. I’d personally stick to the recommended removal tools.
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  9. Padstowe

    Padstowe Section Hiker

    It is recommended by some of the cdc while others say it may cause the tick to spew out its vemon quicker, its used by alot of pediatricians now adays due to the lack of pain involved.
    Edit: Although the effect of this method is in question as to will it cause premature spewing, the fact that it removes ticks is not.
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  10. Michael_x

    Michael_x Summit Camper

    Curious as to source of that. In general measures to persuade a tick to let go, as opposed to pulling it out, pose a high risk of tick emptying its germ filled stomach into you first.

    Edit - above post posted while this being composed.
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  11. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I just got some lifesystems permethrin.
    I'll do Anna's and my socks trousers etc (I'll take some nosilife gear so mostly sorted already), but what about the kids stuff, the bottle says for adults clothing....
    Turns out my uncle and aunt have both had Lyme's, picked up in Richmond park,...
  12. Nigelp

    Nigelp Summit Camper

    I use Mosi-guard natural insect repellent on my sons legs and arms. The spray extra seems to work well to repel ticks.
  13. stonemonkey

    stonemonkey Trail Blazer

    Where do you get that from?
    My daughter (8) has bad echzma so I am quite wary of what to put on her tbh but I would be happier if she had some sort of barrier against the critters.
  14. Nigelp

    Nigelp Summit Camper


    The stick is quite easy to apply. May be worth trying some. They do two strength.
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  15. Nigelp

    Nigelp Summit Camper

    Because it’s not DEET based I think you can also spray it into clothing and equipment. So an option may be for your daughter to wear longer trousers and a long top and spray onto that.
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  16. Michael_x

    Michael_x Summit Camper

    Permethrin treated clothing is almost certainly safe. Could test with something small first. An email to customer service for info from Craghoppers re their nosilife stuff and eczema would not hurt.

    There is much to be said for simple physical measures - long trousers tucked in socks, etc.

    Also avoiding undergrowth, bracken, overgrown areas.

    Plus early detection and removal reduces risks a lot.
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  17. PhilHo

    PhilHo Section Hiker

    The little b**tards sit on the end of vegetation waiting for the unsuspecting to brush past. They then cling on and make their way to a fleshy bit to sink their jaws into. So if you can avoid brushing past vegetation they won't get you. There's a lot to be said for those wide landy tracks in the highlands.
  18. stonemonkey

    stonemonkey Trail Blazer

    yep, i always make sure she is covered up.
    dont they just sit on grass aswell? or is that what you mean...
    we slackline on a field near bassenthwaite lake and i said to a mate about them being there as i could see dung here and there and he said dont be daft, i later said im sure iv seen a couple on the grass stems or ends, whatever there called as i was inspecting it because it was long grass and i wasnt keen on falling off and walking about there.....

    he thought i was paranoid and continued to take the p#ss......

    later that night he sent a couple of pics to the whats app group of 2 of the little blighters on his legs!!
    he managed to get them out, but we had a few on us all down in the borrowdale valley, i have been camping there for at least 15 years and never had one on me till a few months ago.
    they seem to be rife at the moment.
  19. PhilHo

    PhilHo Section Hiker

    We have some hill sheep overwinter on the silage fields around me and the dogs pick them up in the spring and summer from the log grass under the hedges.

    The pic is of an American tick from a page about the PCT.

    It is the only one I could find that shows what I'm talking about.

    There's two stages in their life cycle where they need to get a blood meal. In the first one they are tiny and have 6 legs, this 8 legged stage in the picture is the one that gorges itself into a turgid bean. They crawl up as far as they can on the vegetation they find themselves on and grab on with the bigger front legs. I guess that if they are crawling around in the undergrowth and something brushes by they will grab on.

    I've seen them on rabbits and apparently hares and grouse pick them up as well. They're not fussy where they get their blood meal.

  20. PhilHo

    PhilHo Section Hiker

    Go to 2:30 on this video.

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  21. dovidola

    dovidola Section Hiker

    Just to clarify @PhilHo - is it just the 8-legged stage which is of interest to us as humans, or is the tiny 6-legged version something which preys on us too?

    Nice vid btw!
  22. PhilHo

    PhilHo Section Hiker

    They get the bacteria from blood from an infected mammal or bird. They feed only once at each stage so if a larva did bite you it wouldn't have any Lymes bacteria to pass on to you. Basically infected sheep, deer, grouse etc act as a reservoir for the disease but only some of them are infected. Once a larva has consumed blood from an infected animal it then molts and becomes an infected nymph. If one of these infected nymphs bites you then it can infect you.

    This is the best explanation I have found https://www.lymediseaseaction.org.uk/about-ticks/
  23. Daymoth

    Daymoth Ultralighter

    I got a bunch of them crawling on my trousers while on scotland. I have been paranoid counting freckles.

    I dont do permetherin on clothes because I have not figured out if when doing laundry and getting treated clothes wet, it becomes toxic to cats again? Anyone know?
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  24. Nigelp

    Nigelp Summit Camper

    I don’t think so. I have a cat and wash mine and have dried them inside on the airer and the cat climbed up and sat on them! When I proof them I shut the cat inside and then let them dry on the line outside and let her out when they are quite dry.
  25. Bmblbzzz

    Bmblbzzz Trekker

    Removing ticks: A while ago I was bitten by a tick, it had been in there a day or two when I spotted it. I figured I needed a tick removal tool, so I went to the pharmacy. And they said, "Oh, we don't stock those anymore, we advise people to go to A&E." So I went to A&E, which fortunately isn't far away. Surprisingly, I didn't have long to wait either (by A&E standards). But the point is, they didn't use their special tool: they used bog standard tweezers. So that's what I'd use in future. The important thing is to pull it straight out, grasping as low down as possible. Don't twist because that increases the risk of leaving the head in the bite, and then's there an obvious infection risk regardless of Lyme etc.
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