The Bent Peg!

[Fossil Bluff]

And another thing....

These Delta Peg things are being suggested at every other post on FB and elsewhere - they look like 'family style tent' pegs to me. Are people using them without thinking it through, or is there some merit in them?

 

[EM-Chiseller]

I don't know what a 'whit' is, but I agree

Whit rhymes with tiny bit... But uses less letters
I don't know what "genrality" is
Will the Raven become a regular feature? I enjoyed its input

 

[Whiteburn]

Indeed...I think it's valid with respect to, say, apex guys, which would have to be unfeasibly long in order to meet the ground at a low angle. With perimeter guys, the angle to the ground is going to be low......

You forget that there's a significant number of folk using Mid's where the perimeter stakes are loaded at around 45deg, for the corners of these I'll continue to use long Easton pegs usually set at around 60deg & always put a larks foot around the peg to stop the line popping off the peg in gusty winds.

 

[EM-Chiseller]

And another thing....

These Delta Peg things are being suggested at every other post on FB and elsewhere - they look like 'family style tent' pegs to me. Are people using them without thinking it through, or is there some merit in them?

I've used them for holding heavy canvas shelters with long guys. They're great for soft and granular soils. Anyone using them for wild camping, must have a large volume pack!

 

[Fossil Bluff]

I've used them for holding heavy canvas shelters with long guys. They're great for soft and granular soils. Anyone using them for wild camping, must have a large volume pack!

There appears to be a shed load of people carrying them for wild camping judging by previous and current comments on my channel and FB groups. I see the merit of carrying a handful of additional stakes because they just fit in with the others. Delta pegs are very bulky aren't they.

 

[EM-Chiseller]

You forget that there's a significant number of folk using Mid's where the perimeter stakes are loaded at around 45deg, for the corners of these I'll continue to use long Easton pegs usually set at around 60deg & always put a larks foot around the peg to stop the line popping off the peg in gusty winds.

I like to have a cow hitch/larks knot on my guys too. Like you say, can help prevent slippage and makes passing a stake through or over a stake easier with cold or gloved hands.

 

[Fossil Bluff]

Whit rhymes with tiny bit... But uses less letters
I don't know what "genrality" is
Will the Raven become a regular feature? I enjoyed its input

It was like X factor between a crow and group of ravens - Just when they stopped a family sat on a nearby wall to the children could practice their shouting

 

[Mole]

And another thing....

These Delta Peg things are being suggested at every other post on FB and elsewhere - they look like 'family style tent' pegs to me. Are people using them without thinking it through, or is there some merit in them?

Dunno.
But there's a video on YouTube of some nutters with a couple of hillies in 85mph winds. They claim the only reason they didn't lose the tents was the Delta's. But who knows


Obviously you need to do more videos.

Happy to help

 

[EM-Chiseller]

There appears to be a shed load of people carrying them for wild camping judging by previous and current comments on my channel and FB groups. I see the merit of carrying a handful of additional stakes because they just fit in with the others. Delta pegs are very bulky aren't they.

I used to have about a dozen of them for the Baker... Took up a lot of space in the duffle bag.
I once, regretfully used them on a Hammock tarp in Glencoe. When I returned in gale force winds... The peg held, the line held... The hem of the tarp held, the Reinforced corner guy held... .... Sadly the silnylon didn't hold... This wasn't a cheap tarp (warbonnet Superfly). It was down to the peg and the line being too strong. Stupid mistake

 

[Fossil Bluff]

I used to have about a dozen of them for the Baker... Took up a lot of space in the duffle bag.
I once, regretfully used them on a Hammock tarp in Glencoe. When I returned in gale force winds... The peg held, the line held... The hem of the tarp held, the Reinforced corner guy held... .... Sadly the silnylon didn't hold... This wasn't a cheap tarp (warbonnet Superfly). It was down to the peg and the line being too strong. Stupid mistake

Great story though

 

[Fossil Bluff]

Obviously you need to do more videos.

Happy to help

The Bent Peg II, Return Of The Bent Peg - 'The Straightening of The Peg'. And finally 'Wooden Pegs - The Whittling'

 

[Nigelp]

Starring Simon Peg?

 

[Nigelp]

So we can all agree that a peg set an angle in the ground will hold quite well if used the right or wrong way round.

What force would the actual tent take before it ripped?

The double peg method was off the scales at 50kg - would that amount of weight/force on a tie out just break the tent? Especially mid panel ones.

 

[Robin]

Before your videos I hadn’t come across back staking pegs. Looks like a very useful technique.

 

[Nigelp]

Before your videos I hadn’t come across back staking pegs. Looks like a very useful technique.

I had always put an extra peg across the front of the peg. Back staking looks much more efficient.

 

[Robin]

I had always put an extra peg across the front of the peg. Back staking looks much more efficient.

I’ve done that a couple of times too. Back staking might be very useful for Tarptents on the pitchloc corners as TT make the guys quite short. Back staking means the front peg doesn’t have to be at such an aggressive angle. I lengthened the guys on my Scarp for that reason. Also useful for the corners of mids which take a lot of strain.

 

[edh]

And when there is no topsoil....

 

[Fossil Bluff]

So we can all agree that a peg set an angle in the ground will hold quite well if used the right or wrong way round.

What force would the actual tent take before it ripped?

The double peg method was off the scales at 50kg - would that amount of weight/force on a tie out just break the tent? Especially mid panel ones.

You’re absolutely right, it’s not about reaching those load levels though, all we need to know is that we can sleep well with secure anchor points

 

[Fossil Bluff]

And when there is no topsoil....
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Love it

I’ve had to tie one side of the tent to a dog sled in a big blow - it was tied to the dogs and they were tied to a rock

 

[WilliamC]

The double peg is a good tip. Will have to use it.


Pity you didn't try the DAC pegs "reversed" as you call it - or the right way round as I believe.
( It would work more like you had the Y peg set then).


This guy's strain test found that open face on the guy side is over twice as good.

I've always used them with the apex backwards too as it seems they should offer more resistance to being pulled through the soil. It never occurred to me that it would make them more vulnerable to bending, though. Not that reversing them would help in my case; I gave up on similar Ti pegs because they bent too easily on pounding them into stony ground.

 

[dovidola]

I used to have about a dozen of them for the Baker... Took up a lot of space in the duffle bag.
I once, regretfully used them on a Hammock tarp in Glencoe. When I returned in gale force winds... The peg held, the line held... The hem of the tarp held, the Reinforced corner guy held... .... Sadly the silnylon didn't hold... This wasn't a cheap tarp (warbonnet Superfly). It was down to the peg and the line being too strong. Stupid mistake

This has to make sense. There is always a weakest link, and it is sensible to have that weakest link where it's going to do the least damage if/when the chain breaks. Two good places for weak links are a slipping line-loc and a pulling peg.

There is a parallel with angling. If the force exerted by a fighting fish is going to overwhelm your tackle, it is preferable that it breaks at or near the hook, rather than further back along the setup which would mean an entire lost line or a snapped rod, or the whole assembly ripped from the holder's grasp, or a man overboard or a capsized boat... Many modern reels have adjustable slipping clutches (known as drags) to obviate the risk - not dissimilar to the slipping line-loc although more sophisticated.

There are also comparable issues which are taken into consideration by condom manufacturers, but somewhat painful to elucidate.

As for pegging angle? 45 degrees of course, whatever the real evidence may prove to the contrary - I'm too stuck in the mud to change.

Great vid btw @Fossil Bluff - and nice to see a few of 'my' pegs given starring roles.

 

[turkeyphant]

And when there is no topsoil....
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I'm struggling to see what's going on there.

 

[edh]

This sort of thing...


No soil, bare rock. Need to keep lines clear of fraying.

 

[turkeyphant]

I may be being slow but I understand the second one but not the first. Can't see what the horizontal peg is doing (or even how the vertical one is held down).

 

[Odd Man]

@Fossil Bluff would the Lawson Ti shepherd's hook be any use when double pegging, or do you need more substantial pegs in those circumstances?