Tarptent Stratospire

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by JKM, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Ah - it's a dog..

    I had thought perhaps a particularly unkempt small child?

    But even mine never got quite that scruffy :angelic:

    There may well be parents just as you describe - but imo if the kids aren't at least a little more independent by that age, then they're probs best left in kennels :whistling:
  2. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    Our 2 were "decanted" to their own tent at ~ 6 and 9.
    I just had to help with putting the tent up and stuff like that (-small hands find it difficult to roll mats tight, and stuff recalcitrant sleeping bags).
  3. FOX160

    FOX160 Thru Hiker

    All I know is if I stuck our daughter in there I would have been asked to go in there, and if I tried to put our then golden retriever in there he would be so restless that again I would be sent to the sin bin. But it is a good idea but a larger inner would be a great option as you can place the inner to one side or the other.
  4. hungerast

    hungerast Trekker

    argh. Now that I finally want to place my order for a tt ss li it's out of stock! I'm hoping this will just be for the holidays and that production will continue in January ...
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  5. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    It’s still in stock if you choose the mesh inner.
  6. hungerast

    hungerast Trekker

    Well, that's reassuring, I guess. I'd still like to just go ahead and buy it so that I can look forward to next season
  7. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    I’m going to be ordering an inner from Tarptent soon so if anyone wants gold Eastons or something small included in the package let me know ASAP. Cheers.
  8. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    I'd love 6 short eastons if possible @Clare? let me know how much and where you want it :)
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  9. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    There's a flash review of the SS Li over on BPL. They've made a real mess of their comparison table with a Duplex.
    Something I found interesting: in a comment, @hshires writes, "(Silpoly is) nice for staking well and not having to adjust for stretch when it gets wet but the fabric stretches/moves in the wind. For wind loading, silpoly just doesn’t compare to the performance of Dyneema. For windy conditions, a SS made of Silpoly would be a distant 2nd to the one made of Dyneema."
    This seems to go against just about everything I have read comparing the relative merits of cuben and silnylon, where the general opinion seems to be that silnylon is better for a shelter in wind as its ability to stretch absorbs gusts and puts less strain on the shelter. (I write as a lover of cuben).
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  10. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Personally if i was camping in heavy wind i'd prefer a tent material with the least amount of stretch as possible
    So for that i'd prefer Dyneema

    For strength/failure, unless there is a large vertical panel straight into the wind i don't think Dyneema will fail in anything but the most extreme wind.

    I wouldn't buy a .51 Dyneema tent personally, because of long term wear concerns, and the fact that i want to have a little bit of a buffer in case i NEED to camp in seriously bad weather.
    I've no idea on the figures of if or how much stronger .74 is, but it does ease my mind
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2019
  11. dovidola

    dovidola Section Hiker

    Henry is comparing Silpoly to Cuben, but is that the same as comparing Silnylon to Cuben? Not something I know much about, but I wonder if this makes a difference?
  12. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I got that but unless I'm misunderstanding him, he's saying that cuben is better for wind loading than silpoly because it doesn't stretch, whereas conventional wisdom used to say that silnylon was better than cuben for wind loading because it stretches.
    CW can be wrong, of course.
  13. qy_

    qy_ Hiker

    Given that the difference between .51 and .74 DCF is more Dyneema threads but they have the same thickness of the outer layers, you would expect that .74 can offer a bit more against catastrophic faliure in high winds but not much more against longtime wear and tear?

    They have been out there for a while so I guess there are people with long time experience from .51 and -74 tents durability now, but I haven´t seen much of experiencebased judgements.
  14. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Seems a fair assumption, though I have seen it suggested that the increased dyneema in .74 would help in long-term waterproofness as well.
    We have 100+ nights in a .51 Duplex and it's still going strong, as one data point.
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  15. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I was surprised to see that the weight came in 13% over spec. Have you weighed yours @Clare?
    How forgiving is the Stratospire Li of uneven ground? The geometry looks quite complex compared to the Duplex and I wonder if it might be a bit of a Goldilocks?
  16. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    I hadn’t but now I have. 823 including cuben sack. No pegs. The sack is 12g

    Re Goldilocks I don’t know yet but don’t see it being much different to the silnylon Strat. There is possibly @Mole ‘s point about the non-adjustable horizontal straps at the pitchloc ends but that can be modded if necessary.
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019 at 8:04 AM
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  17. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    So much closer to BPL's weight than Tarptent's.
    Incidentally, I switched out the Duplex's cuben sack for a silnylon one. I reckon it's less abrasive on the cuben flysheet.
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  18. Charles42

    Charles42 Trail Blazer

    interesting to get a 'real weight'. My 4 year old sil strat 1 weighs 1020g without pegs ,but incl sack.
    So a 200g difference ,not huge but still a bit lighter .Not sure I could justify the cost of upgrading.
    Initially I found it a bit tricky to pitch well ,but soon got the hang of it . On uneven ground it helps
    that you can raise or lower your poles independently to compensate somewhat .So far I have been lucky in finding reasonable ground to pitch. Overall a very good tent
  19. Charles42

    Charles42 Trail Blazer

    Forgot to add to my post that my Strat has a solid inner .
  20. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    Duh! So does mine. @WilliamC i’ll weigh again when my net inner arrives.
  21. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    Thinking of "real world weights"

    After the rather soggy (dew/frost) SDW trip in November I weighed my SS1 before drying it out. As I did not go straight home it was at least 3-4 days later.

    It was around 3kg :confused: including moisture.

    I vaguely mocked @Enzo to methodically drying his shelter on a prior trip, but now I am thinking of separating the inner/outer on soggier pitches so I can remove condensation more effectively.
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  22. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    That's mental. Means your Strat soaked up
    near twice it's weight in water? Nearly 2litres?! Did you leave it coated in ice or something?

    Never had anything like that amount a tent even after rain all night at low temps.
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  23. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    He probably left his cake in it...
  24. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    That does seem a lot. I've only weighed our Swiftline once when wet:
  25. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    It was a very damp morning with freezing fog around.the inner was absolutely covered in condensation.
    I did give the most accessible bits a prefunctory wipe down and then shook it vigorously but this transfers a lot of moisture to the inner.

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