Snow and ice traction.

Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by stormin', Dec 5, 2017.

  1. stormin'

    stormin' Ultralighter

  2. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Comments on efficacy on various Pyrenees threads.
  3. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Can't say I'm impressed with the redesign; probably down to making them easier to manufacturer not improve there function......& the price has increased.
    If they're into redesigning IMO they should have added a heal strap.
  4. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    id want some sort of spikes at my heels
  5. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Are these aimed at folk crossing the occasional snow field on summer High Sierra trips for example, rather than "proper" winter use?
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  6. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    Compared to microspikes?
  7. Dave Vaughan

    Dave Vaughan Trail Blazer

    I think for the money, I would forego the weight saving and go for the ones @Mole told me about. Kahtoola Spikes, they looked more robust and looked to have a more secure fitting.
  8. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I like my modified Vargo cleats (~150g) for extended backpacking trips, when (as @edh notes) there'll just be the odd snow field/ col to cross;
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    For me the 200g+ weight saving over micro-spikes is worth the loss of functionality. There're quite practical on low angled (20 deg) hard snow but I've used on 40 deg stuff (better than nowt).

    For shorter trips (Scotland) it's usually the Kahtoola micro-spikes (~360g) or for more serious adventures it'll be the Kahtoola KTS steel crampons (~700g), get really serious it's the La Sportiva Nepals + Grivel G14's (1100g)
  9. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    "In fact, you may even forget you're wearing them, but you forget to bring them everytime Old Man Winter decides to join you."

    :rolleyeses:

    Messing about with re-threading the lace kills it for me. These would very quickly 'do my head in', look incredibly uncomfortable to walk in for very long on ice.
  10. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    Must be I’d say
  11. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    Kattoola micro spikes depending on my route and some Airtechs if crossing anything with a drop or long slide out :(
  12. tom

    tom Ultralighter

    I prefer Vargo cleats over the micro spike alternatives (but use Kahtoola 10 point steel crampons for trail runners in alpine shoulder seasons). For one, there is simply no excuse to not take the cleats on summer alpine routes but I am also more confident about how robust and effective they are. Like Whiteburn, I modified the front strap and added a heal strap. The new front straps work perfectly, not sure if the heal strap is really needed but it gives me peace of mind.

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    On the GR54 in September, I kept the cleats on for an extended section with alternating ice, snow sludge, black shale mud und rock because putting them frequently of and on again would have been too time consuming. I expected some damage but to my surprise the cleats took it all. The Ti is heavily scratched and marked but not a single spike damaged.

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    In 2 1/2 years of cleats use, I've not had a moment when I wished for some heal spikes (though I did wish for full crampons once or twice...). But I'm not convinced of the Vargo second generation cleats either.
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  13. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    HEEL for pity's sake :arghh:

    i think I'll go for a lie-down
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  14. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Don't loose it Ed;)
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  15. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    :biggrin: it's only fare you are subjected to the same treatment....
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  16. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    :arghh:

    To many puns.....my tows are curling.
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  17. FOX160

    FOX160 Ultralighter

    Think I’ll rather wait for the Snow plough to pass :D
  18. Ken T.

    Ken T. Ultralighter

    Rein will melt it
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  19. Brendan

    Brendan Trail Blazer

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