Running trekking adaptable gear

Discussion in 'Clothing & Footwear' started by Chiseller, Nov 16, 2018.

  1. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Yout prayer is answered..
    A fast packer runs and hikes... A fast hiker (in theirs? Or his? words) doesn't run.... He hikes fast :D
    Do you need me to explain anything else? :rolleyes::whistling:
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  2. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    His? He?
    Anish might disagree....:rolleyes:
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  3. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    Thanks. There was no malice in my question, it's just that this splitting of hair and how it may affect the non-professional hiker is honestly hard to fathom. :bla:
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  4. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    Maybe stops more often for a lie down. Or maybe less.
  5. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I'd not heard 'fast-hiker' used as a term for a recreation until I read the article.
    I thought fast hiker was... "he/she is a Fast Hiker.... Look how quick they're going up that track!"
  6. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Hardcore Mountain attire... The legend Bob Graham :cool:
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    **Can you ever imagine setting off on a Bob Graham Round now in knee length, heavy cotton duck shorts, floppy cotton shirt (with collar), .....and boots?
    No sign of Talons, Helly Hansen Lifa, or even waterproofs.
    But this was how the man who started it all was dressed.
    The man himself, Keswick publican Bob Graham, is pictured at Dunmail Raise at 9am, June 13, 1932 on his epic first round of the 42 summits which form the basis of today's BGR.
    With him are two of his pacers Phil Davidson, left, and Martyn Ryland.

    **Picture and wording poached from another group
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  7. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Make the shorts a bit shorter and the shirts a bit more colourful and you've got Jon z / Jupiter.
    I hiked last year in a button up shirt. Pros and cons.
    One thing I noticed was a tight fitting base layer wicks sweat up and the fabric and sweat is at your body temp. Whereas a loose shirt gets soaked in sweat, but as it's off your skin it doesn't heat to your body temp and when you go into a cooler area or the day ends it's bloody cold!
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  8. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Tried the button up shirt thing in 2018s hot season (high 20s in Scotland in late May/June, plus England through Summer, and Pyrenees too.
    Found that for me a thin baselayer (Rab interval mostly) is much more comfortable and quicker drying in heat and humidity (Or nothing!)

    My mate who I've hiked longer trails with the last few years, always wore button up shirts hiking (he doesn't do winter or mountains but done the camino and other warmer trails) , then last year he took 3 Button up shirts on the Pennine Way and often all were damp and/or smelly. Afterwards he finally bought his first baselayer (aged 55 and a seriously experienced world traveller! ), after noticing how mine dried quickly in use. He was very impressed on his next trip, and ordered more.

    I guess the button ups work better in a drier less humid climate? I prefer them over a baselayer as a mid.
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  9. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

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  10. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I used to love my old paramo button up shirt. It managed sweat very well with how it spread it.
    It was very wind resistant and felt super smooth.
    Button ups arnt really my thing these days, but I'd happily have another and trek multidays in it.
  11. JimH

    JimH Ultralighter



    How quick has anyone run the BGR dressed like that? Probably nowhere near as quick as Jasmin or Kilian!
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  12. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I guess the dress shirts make sense walking deserts where sun burn and having the heated layer of clothing not directly on your skin is a bonus.
    I'll still use them, but only on those days that are hot might and day like we had last year.
    Still have an OR echo I've barely used to try out. I normally use arcteryx base layers.

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    Drying my mountain house shirt, a recommendation off here, much cheaper and a better fit than what I was using, if heavier and a little slower to dry.

    Still have two nosilife shirts in L and XL if anyone fancies them.
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  13. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    League of their own and winter record holders!
    Even with their advanced clothes, support crews etc nothing can be taken away from them... #legends
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  14. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    :thumbsup:
    In the heat, I want a shirt that lets the air through to cool the skin. The Echo/Interval/Pulse do that. I haven't found a button up that does.
    For dry heat, something with open "pores" à la Interval but in a light cotton would probably be perfect. I doubt it exists or is possible.
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  15. Heltrekker

    Heltrekker Ultralighter

    I worked in mineral exploration on the southern edge of the Sahara way back in the early 90's. We used to walk for miles doing geochemical surveys, it got so hot our alcohol thermometer boiled and the electronic thermometer on our palaeo-GPS (size and weight of a car battery with a socking great aerial) measured 55ºC+ 'cos it couldn't go any higher. I wore a loose button-up cotton long sleeved shirt since the sensation of the sun on bare skin was like being barbecued, and the evaporation of the sweat from the cotton was so intense it felt cooler than wearing a t-shirt. I would have killed for a decent technical fabric!!
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  16. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    At work we have cotton t shirts, I've pushed for a nice coolmax alternative but no luck so far.
    In last year's 30c+ heat soaking the t shirt and hat in water works well for an hour or two.
    Not practical in the desert I imagine!
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  17. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    I used to love wearing linen shirts and trousers for grafting in hot weather...
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  18. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Size Medium 292g
    Inside leg 32.5"
    1st impressions of the Momentum AT Pant.
    I bought this model, partly to fill a void in my mountain Kit and partly for casual wear with the ability to carry my phone or a windbreaker and gloves if needed.
    Another draw was to have a comfortable lightweight pant to wear over shorts at the end of the day and perhaps to add to my sleep system.
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    Firstly the weight.. Mine weigh 292g with the care /model labels removed. I couldn't find a reference to the weight online, so I took a punt on them being around the 210g mark, allowing for the zipped mesh pocket and the looser fit.
    Sadly I was wrong. They are far heavier than I expected.
    Do I keep them? Do I send them back?
    Weighing up the odds I mentally compared them with my Salomon Wayfarer Pant @ 313g which feel light and comfortable, have two hip pockets, one small thigh pocket and a rear pocket. They look quite smart until they've been stuffed in a pack for a day.
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    I like the wayfarers, but couldn't fastpack in them like I can potentially do with the Ronnies. The momentum AT pant have a feel and look to them that suggests you won't look like you've found them in the bottom of a compactor.

    Speaking of the material, they are not described as being wind resistant but are described as having a DWR treatment to the finish.
    As you can see by the deceptively open weave that isn't apparent until you try them on ( commando is not recommended) or hold them to the light.
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    You can well imagine that the DWR is a worthless sales gimmick. It will be interesting to feel how they are in a cool wind as I've been surprised with how some open weaves can trap some of the incoming air and create a warmer feeling than I have expected. (Rab Pulse Hoody comes to mind)

    The DWR is impressive for a couple of minutes....
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    Sadly that's as long as the impression lasts. Under a low pressure shower with a shake effect as opposed to one point of continuous impact... The upper thighs and groin gave out almost immediately. After around 3 minutes with a walking effect, the rest began to follow suit.


    Again I am looking forward to seeing how warm they may be once wet and with some wind.
    Once the shower has past... You can pull/ping at the stretch material to help shed some of the soaking. Once I was happy that they were soaked, I stopped the shower and did some on the spot walking and knee raises to see how much water would hopefully push out.
    The result wasn't too disappointing as they held on to a mere 48g /ml of water. Pretty good. I Belive they will dry reasonably quick in a breeze.

    The packability is quite reasonable, stuffed into the rear mesh pocket (probably more compact when rolled or folded) you can have an idea of bulk.
    Pictured with a Mountain Hardwear Kor Preshell, Salomon Fastwing Hybrid jacket and a small hydrapak race cup.
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    Both the jackets fit nicely into the rear storage pocket. It is also able to hold my Huawei P30 Pro in a case. *individually... One jacket, not both at the same time* I wouldn't want to run with a phone in the back, but I will try it out at some point.
    Pictured with the Kor Preshell.
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    The stretch of the material, allows for the old carrier bag trick...
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    Yep, a size 11.5 Altra Can pass through effortlessly (I recommend either a lighter carrier or at least incorporate it into your pack as a multiuse item. Great for carrying other folks rubbish off the trail)
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    Just reverse the carrier and use again for removing the pant.
    They are quite comfortable worn over a pair of shorts, so I can see them getting some hill time in mild/inclement weather.
    Hope this helps you decide for or against purchasing a pair, for whichever activity you choose.
    Stay safe,
    Carnivore Hiker.
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  19. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I agree - linen is the coolest textile in hot weather.

    Last year I took long sleeve shirts in lightweight linen, cotton lawn (very fine weave) and Rohan synthetics, on our trip thru' the Kimberlies, NW OZ.
    Temps from high 20's to high 30's and some humidity at the coast.
    The linen was by far the nicest and the Rohan synthetic - horrible, even tho' they were supposed to be for hot weather travel.
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