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Robin

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Dave V said:
A friend has just got one. Pretty sure he said he’s been running in it and likes it a lot. Will check and se what he says.
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I’ve got a Quito (in red). My only quibble is it is a bit baggy and the pockets could be better.

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Fossil Bluff

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Robin said:
I’ve got a Quito (in red). My only quibble is it is a bit baggy and the pockets could be better.

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Very fetching :D

I have a Quito as well - same colour as your rucksack cover :vomit: ... it’s a very effective jacket for venting isn’t it, just splits right the sides and arms :thumbsup:
 
Robin

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Fossil Bluff said:
Very fetching :D

I have a Quito as well - same colour as your rucksack cover :vomit: ... it’s a very effective jacket for venting isn’t it, just splits right the sides and arms :thumbsup:
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The red is nice. They didn’t do it for very long. The venting is brill. The best jacket they ever made was the Vasco. If they did that in the lighter material, it would be a winner.
 
Nigelp

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The fit of paramo garments can be quite poor. Always seems to be a lot of excessive fabric especially on the arms. I’d like a more athletic cut with less weight of fabric overall. When they wet out the older paramos garments particularly don’t seem to work as well to pump the water away as the newer ones I’ve seen people wearing on courses. My Alta 2 is a terrible jacket to wear in the wet and now I’d rather use a hard shell and take some internal damp over that cold ‘leak’ that I get in the Alta 2. I’d like to try a newer version garment to see if they have improved because I like the concept of Paramo but also like to stay dry!
 
Robin

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The Vasco was quite a trim cut. The main problem I find with Paramo was the interaction with absorbent rucksack straps which leach through water. Rucksacks which don’t have absorbent foam are much better.
 
Robert P

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Nigelp said:
The fit of paramo garments can be quite poor. Always seems to be a lot of excessive fabric especially on the arms. I’d like a more athletic cut with less weight of fabric overall. When they wet out the older paramos garments particularly don’t seem to work as well to pump the water away as the newer ones I’ve seen people wearing on courses. My Alta 2 is a terrible jacket to wear in the wet and now I’d rather use a hard shell and take some internal damp over that cold ‘leak’ that I get in the Alta 2. I’d like to try a newer version garment to see if they have improved because I like the concept of Paramo but also like to stay dry!
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I think the fit has improved a bit - the more recent Cascada trousers are certainly more shaped than the old, heavy ones.
If you like the Paramo fabric but not the fit there is always Cioch. They do made-to-measure with the same fabrics, for very reasonable extra cost. I have a heavily customised Glamaig smock that is lighter the the Paramo Velez Adventure light, a better fit, and tougher. But you do have to go to Skye to be measured, and that would await easing of lockdown restrictions!
 
Robert P

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Robin said:
The Vasco was quite a trim cut. The main problem I find with Paramo was the interaction with absorbent rucksack straps which leach through water. Rucksacks which don’t have absorbent foam are much better.
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Maybe I've been lucky with rucksacks, but I've not had that issue. Eventual wetting out, yes. The strangest issue was on very cold days, moisture condensing as ice on the inside of the outer layer (between the pump liner and outer). Driving home in the same jacket the ice melts and the cold water then collects in a pool at the elbows (hands being elevated, holding the steering wheel). Took me a while to work out what was going on
 
Bmblbzzz

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Fossil Bluff said:
I’ll still be running in my Velez adventure light until at least June 1st on the Highlands of Dartmoor :confused:
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Off topic point first: I'm glad to see your post because I've been trying for months(!) to remember who it was that made those videos of camping on Dartmoor with a dog...

Now back on the topic: I can't entirely make my mind up about Paramo. I know they come in for a lot of stick from some people here (and elsewhere) while others love them. I think some of their colour choices are verging on hideous, but obviously that's purely personal and subjective. They're not cheap but can be bought at a reasonable price by shopping around online, in line with competitors. They're heavy and bulky. But I like their "ethical" stance. And they do seem to work and go on working, in terms of doing what they claim: being waterproof and breathable.

Oh, and they're baggy, that's true. I prefer more sleek clothing in just about everything.

So I have two of them... Well, three actually if you include fleece (and the fleece is my lightest fleece; it seems it's only the waterproofs which are heavy). They're all a basic single-shade blue (I like the red posted above too). I can't remember right now the model names but definitely neither a Velez nor a Quito, I think one's called Heiko or something similar, quite a wintery one – really useful actually! (And if the Quito is as I think the cycling-specific one then a cycling buddy has one and adores it).

I guess on balance I like wearing them but not carrying them!
 
Robin

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Robert P said:
Maybe I've been lucky with rucksacks, but I've not had that issue. Eventual wetting out, yes. The strangest issue was on very cold days, moisture condensing as ice on the inside of the outer layer (between the pump liner and outer). Driving home in the same jacket the ice melts and the cold water then collects in a pool at the elbows (hands being elevated, holding the steering wheel). Took me a while to work out what was going on
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I’ve had wetting out in heavy wind blown rain after about three hours, although in patches not total failure.
 
Robin

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Bmblbzzz said:
Off topic point first: I'm glad to see your post because I've been trying for months(!) to remember who it was that made those videos of camping on Dartmoor with a dog...

Now back on the topic: I can't entirely make my mind up about Paramo. I know they come in for a lot of stick from some people here (and elsewhere) while others love them. I think some of their colour choices are verging on hideous, but obviously that's purely personal and subjective. They're not cheap but can be bought at a reasonable price by shopping around online, in line with competitors. They're heavy and bulky. But I like their "ethical" stance. And they do seem to work and go on working, in terms of doing what they claim: being waterproof and breathable.

Oh, and they're baggy, that's true. I prefer more sleek clothing in just about everything.

So I have two of them... Well, three actually if you include fleece (and the fleece is my lightest fleece; it seems it's only the waterproofs which are heavy). They're all a basic single-shade blue (I like the red posted above too). I can't remember right now the model names but definitely neither a Velez nor a Quito, I think one's called Heiko or something similar, quite a wintery one – really useful actually! (And if the Quito is as I think the cycling-specific one then a cycling buddy has one and adores it).

I guess on balance I like wearing them but not carrying them!
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I agree, most the recent colours are pretty hideous. They used to be a lot better. The red Velez Jacket looks good though. I have an old Vasco in cobalt blue which is lovely.

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Robert P

Robert P

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Bmblbzzz said:
Off topic point first: I'm glad to see your post because I've been trying for months(!) to remember who it was that made those videos of camping on Dartmoor with a dog...

Now back on the topic: I can't entirely make my mind up about Paramo. I know they come in for a lot of stick from some people here (and elsewhere) while others love them. I think some of their colour choices are verging on hideous, but obviously that's purely personal and subjective. They're not cheap but can be bought at a reasonable price by shopping around online, in line with competitors. They're heavy and bulky. But I like their "ethical" stance. And they do seem to work and go on working, in terms of doing what they claim: being waterproof and breathable.

Oh, and they're baggy, that's true. I prefer more sleek clothing in just about everything.

So I have two of them... Well, three actually if you include fleece (and the fleece is my lightest fleece; it seems it's only the waterproofs which are heavy). They're all a basic single-shade blue (I like the red posted above too). I can't remember right now the model names but definitely neither a Velez nor a Quito, I think one's called Heiko or something similar, quite a wintery one – really useful actually! (And if the Quito is as I think the cycling-specific one then a cycling buddy has one and adores it).

I guess on balance I like wearing them but not carrying them!
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I'll confess to having 3 - my preferred winter jackets, when I can wear them all day: Aspira smock - serious winter mountain jacket, excellent ventilation; Cioch Glaimaig, light smock with excellent ventilation, Paramo Alta 3, general purpose jacket, tend not to use on the hill, poor ventilation options.
 
Bmblbzzz

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Robin said:
I agree, most the recent colours are pretty hideous. They used to be a lot better. The red Velez Jacket looks good though. I have an old Vasco in cobalt blue which is lovely.

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Agree the cobalt blue is a good colour. I actually quite like bright colours but combinations such as this just look (to me) like a jester with a bad hangover. Or they're just using up ends of odd fabric runs...
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Dave V

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I think the fit varies across the range quite a bit. The fit of my Alta 2, Velez and Pasco jackets are very different, the Ostro is very different altogether.

Comparing my Alta 2 with other jackets I’ve owned in the same size, namely the Montane eVent evolution, Berghaus Goretex Peak and a Rab goretex that I sent back after the first use. The Alta has far better articulation in the arms, hood/neck and greater back/arse coverage.

For me personally I find Paramo far easier to regulate my temperature and overall ventilation than any other jacket type, eVent comes close but IME eVent seams do not last and the fabric itself is prone to delamination in high pressure areas.

Although I’ve had my Paramo Jackets wet out in places during heavy rainfall, M wind driven rain ect I’ve always remained warm in Paramo. When I’ve had Goretex wet out, I found it spread quickly and my temperature drop rapidly.

I’ve given up on Goretex and other laminates, investing in Paramo over the years and it works for me personally. I know people who find the complete opposite though. We are all different and what works for one, won’t for another :)
 
Robin

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Paramo fit. All over the place :banghead:

I tend to regard Paramo as highly water resistant soft shell. If necessary I take a lightweight hardshell jacket as well. I find Paramo the most comfortable shell to use especially if it’s showery. Agree on eVent. Great but I’ve had two jackets delaminate. The Velez Jacket has the newer liner, which I haven’t tried yet. Some friends are complimentary about it.
 
Bmblbzzz

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Dave V said:
Comparing my Alta 2 with other jackets I’ve owned in the same size, namely the Montane eVent evolution, Berghaus Goretex Peak and a Rab goretex that I sent back after the first use. The Alta has far better articulation in the arms, hood/neck and greater back/arse coverage.
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Paramo hoods work to a far greater extent than other hoods for me. I'm not quite sure why, seeing as I find their garments generally cut rather baggy and I have a fairly small head.

cathyjc said:
Hubby loves his Paramo.
I tried it and sold on - not for me.
Marmite ..... HYOH
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I just want to say that I'm not fussed about Marmite. I can take it or leave it. I don't know why people get so excited about it one way or another...:yawn: ;)
 
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