MLD Duomid - Pole height and options

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by liamarchie, Nov 11, 2016.

  1. liamarchie

    liamarchie Trail Blazer

  2. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I think @paul has, according to this thread. I've used it too, but I don't use the extender tubes. It does add a bit of faff to the set-up.
  3. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    yea i have one for my khufu. Only used it once so far to set the shelter up in a mountain top gale with minus daft temps. It was a faff but i think with practice ill get on better with it. Gives acres of space
  4. Dave Vaughan

    Dave Vaughan Section Hiker

    You can create similar yourself for a few ££.

    I’ve used some pvc quick fit plumbing pipe and pushed two corking nozzles inside so the poles seat nicely.

    The pipe I had at home, the nozzles were £1.10 for six from screwfix or toolstation

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  5. liamarchie

    liamarchie Trail Blazer

    Awesome, nice and cheap going to give that a go.

    What height do you set the poles to?
  6. Dave Vaughan

    Dave Vaughan Section Hiker

    Poles at 145cm and gap of 160cm. With the pole setup I’m currently trying out I can get 150cm height without going beyond the stop marks but prefer a little lower.

    I’ve got some new poles on the way to butcher so will report back once I’ve tried them out.
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  7. Dave Vaughan

    Dave Vaughan Section Hiker

    Well my new poles have arrived. I ordered them to make a stronger A frame for my Duomid and first impressions are this setup will be allot stronger with very little sacrifice in weight.

    The poles I ordered are Leki AERGONLITE 2 V Alloy Ski Poles, made from Aluminium (HTS 6.5).

    For this to work, the Pacer poles need to have been converted to flick locks or the Leki section will need a twist lock adding.

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    The total stable length I would put at 165-170cm depending on how the handles are placed. That has the section of Leki pole was at the 135 mark leaving 25cm of the pole within the middle section of Pacer. The middle section of the Pacer pole is 1.5 inches above the 10 mark.

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    The A Frame created, each pole measures 145cm with a floor gap of 160cm

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    The original lower section of Pacer pole, with the twist lock weighs in at 71g

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    The lower Leki section weighs 99g so a total gain of 56g

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    The Leki poles will extend to 145cm by themselves but I think using the sections as I have pictured above would create a stronger A frame with greater height options without the need to carry additional poles or heavy bits.

    Walking with the poles would not be an issue either, the collapsed length is 110cm, I walk with my poles at 132cm. I could either simply lengthen the middle section or if I took the twist lock off the middle section I could further extend this and retract some of the lower section.
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  8. liamarchie

    liamarchie Trail Blazer

    Would you have any concerns about abrasion on the inside of the fly using an A frame set up? Presumably the panels will touch the poles in moderate wind when flapping around?
  9. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    Yes! i noticed this when i test pitched the khufu. The mini baskets need to be removed and i applied a cuben patch either side where any rubbing might occur. added a few grams but i sleep better lol
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  10. el manana

    el manana Thru Hiker

    Same happens when using the A frame on a Asta Mid, had to remove the baskets, still a bit of contact.

    Doesnt happen on the Duomid though.

    I guess that confirms what the Asta is copied from.
  11. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    to be fair it might be me. it was the first time id used the dpte and i felt it could have been operator error. ill find out next weekend and report back
  12. liamarchie

    liamarchie Trail Blazer

    I would have thought from top to bottom there would be contact. Not just the ground area near the baskets.

    I’ve had guylines shred over night where they lightly brushed up against a stone etc, so obviously don’t want a windy night thinning the material
  13. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I think I might have a shot at making one for my Duomid, I've got some sections of GG LT4 pole which @Stephen gave me, they should do the trick if I can find some flexible tube to join them. Is the cord between the pole handles really necessary? Is the joining tube even that important, maybe I can just getaway with stick some pole sections on my pole tips and stuffing them into the apex, they're going anywhere once the shelter is under tension, hmmm what to do :unsure:

    I use the inverted V in the Solomid with 145cm BD Trail Pros but never tried it in the DM
  14. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    baskets are in the air. pole tips feed into the dpte and the pole handles get wrapped in the the pockets on the string
  15. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I saw some wear from A frame on mates Khufu last year. It's quite a fierce catenary curved cut, so seems pole bases shouldn't be too wide apart towards the hems, else the middle part is bound to touch?
  16. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    ...which kind of detracts from the purpose?
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  17. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    its pretty high up where mine touched but id not removed the mini baskets. I always carry cuben patches thank god or it would have been sleepless. Ill be using my new comperdel poles next week and ill remember to remove the baskets. Its worth the faff for the space so i will persevere
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  18. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Yep.

    It is a solid shelter, but a bit cramped round the edges IMO due to the cat cuts. Useable, but needs to be a bit larger all round for 6' plus. From what I saw, sometimes a corner just goes low if the ground is uneven, and reduces useable space
  19. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    I really need the 2/3 inner rather than the half as it would be much more livable. Recon bivy going next trip as its a good bit wider and still has plenty head room. I think they would benefit from a lanky version though as i wouldnt have even considered it if i was 6' plus
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  20. Balagan

    Balagan Section Hiker

    They do have a lanky version. It's just that it's not really advertised and you need to contact them and talk it over.
  21. Munro277

    Munro277 Thru Hiker

    I’ve ordered same poles too rob bottom sections from.i use a cord helps a bit with initial pitch and just strips poles being forced outwards,might just be pacer handles that might try and spread outwards,as appossed to normal pole handles ...it’s next to no extra weight
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  22. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    yes but i think its sil only
  23. Balagan

    Balagan Section Hiker

    I do believe that you are correct.
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  24. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

    9521BB71-7615-461A-AE92-150FF3559203.jpeg 300 long by 140 high :)
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  25. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

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