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Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
So this is how the Stash performed. What is surprising is that prolonged boil times still resulted in the same amount of gas - no mistake, I checked and double checked. ????
Water 8.7 degrees C - Air 11 degrees C
All boils were 500ml
With a brand new JetBoil canister.
5 grams - 2 minutes 25
A used canister C500 starting at 474g roughly 2/3 full
5 grams - 4 minutes 37
Again starting at 442g
5 grams - 4 minutes 25
Using a C300 with very low pressure, roughly 30% full - starting at 209g
5 grams - 6 minutes 27
Now for 5mph consistent wind across the burner, this is where it gets a bit ‘ropey’.
After 10 minutes on full power it failed to boil 500ml of water (using a 2/3 full C500 canister) - It reached 61 degrees C and had used 13g of gas.
Using a Soto Windmaster on the JB Stash pot (the same canister - same wind) it took 5 minutes to boil on full power using 13g of gas.
So here are results for other HX pots / stoves in similar conditions - When wind is applied they all outperform the JetBoil Stash.
I tried the Soto Windmaster on a sawn off adapted JB pot - the same conditions without wind.
It used 6g and took 1 minute 54
This was at full tilt, I’m confident it would equal or better the Stash if the stove was on a medium burn rate taking around 4 minutes.
The Stash is quite chunky in parts - the burner appears to have cast parts as does the pot - the burner is quite bulky and 60g - the pot and lid is 146g
My personal / initial feeling is that an MSR Titan and Windmaster would be lighter, cheaper, more versatile, harder wearing and better geared toward harsher conditions.
On a positive point, the JetBoil Stash makes a very marketable, compact system that will no doubt be very popular.
My sawn off pot
The Stash
Failing to boil at 5mph and the flame gap.
I appreciate there is a significant weight difference with the Stash and the MiniMo, but the MiniMo is a far better thought out JetBoil - it surprised me
if I had to choose between the two the MiniMo would be the one - despite the weight.
Water 8.7 degrees C - Air 11 degrees C
All boils were 500ml
With a brand new JetBoil canister.
5 grams - 2 minutes 25
A used canister C500 starting at 474g roughly 2/3 full
5 grams - 4 minutes 37
Again starting at 442g
5 grams - 4 minutes 25
Using a C300 with very low pressure, roughly 30% full - starting at 209g
5 grams - 6 minutes 27
Now for 5mph consistent wind across the burner, this is where it gets a bit ‘ropey’.
After 10 minutes on full power it failed to boil 500ml of water (using a 2/3 full C500 canister) - It reached 61 degrees C and had used 13g of gas.
Using a Soto Windmaster on the JB Stash pot (the same canister - same wind) it took 5 minutes to boil on full power using 13g of gas.
So here are results for other HX pots / stoves in similar conditions - When wind is applied they all outperform the JetBoil Stash.
I tried the Soto Windmaster on a sawn off adapted JB pot - the same conditions without wind.
It used 6g and took 1 minute 54
This was at full tilt, I’m confident it would equal or better the Stash if the stove was on a medium burn rate taking around 4 minutes.
The Stash is quite chunky in parts - the burner appears to have cast parts as does the pot - the burner is quite bulky and 60g - the pot and lid is 146g
My personal / initial feeling is that an MSR Titan and Windmaster would be lighter, cheaper, more versatile, harder wearing and better geared toward harsher conditions.
On a positive point, the JetBoil Stash makes a very marketable, compact system that will no doubt be very popular.
My sawn off pot
The Stash
Failing to boil at 5mph and the flame gap.
I appreciate there is a significant weight difference with the Stash and the MiniMo, but the MiniMo is a far better thought out JetBoil - it surprised me
if I had to choose between the two the MiniMo would be the one - despite the weight.
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Ayrshire Alps
Summit Camper
Aye, glad I went for the minimo now!.
Nigelp
Thru Hiker
Tabulation...So this is how the Stash performed. What is surprising is that prolonged boil times still resulted in the same amount of gas - no mistake, I checked and double checked. ????
Water 8.7 degrees C - Air 11 degrees C
All boils were 500ml
With a brand new JetBoil canister.
5 grams - 2 minutes 25
A used canister C500 starting at 474g roughly 2/3 full
5 grams - 4 minutes 37
Again starting at 442g
5 grams - 4 minutes 25
Using a C300 with very low pressure, roughly 30% full - starting at 209g
5 grams - 6 minutes 27
Now for 5mph consistent wind across the burner, this is where it gets a bit ‘ropey’.
After 10 minutes on full power it failed to boil 500ml of water (using a 2/3 full C500 canister) - It reached 61 degrees C and had used 13g of gas.
Using a Soto Windmaster on the JB Stash pot (the same canister) it took 5 minutes to boil on full power using 13g of gas.
So here are results for other HX pots / stoves in similar conditions - When wind is applied they all outperform the JetBoil Stash.
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I tried the Soto Windmaster on a sawn off adapted JB pot - the same conditions without wind.
It used 6g and took 1 minute 54
This was at full tilt, I’m confident it would equal or better the Stash if the stove was on a medium burn rate taking around 4 minutes.
The Stash is quite chunky in parts - the burner appears to have cast parts as does the pot - the burner is quite bulky and 60g - the pot and lid is 146g
My personal / initial feeling is that an MSR Titan and Windmaster would be lighter, cheaper, more versatile, harder wearing and better geared toward harsher conditions.
On a positive point, the Windmaster makes a very marketable, compact system that will no doubt be very popular.
My sawn off pot
View attachment 30444
The Stash
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Failing to boil at 5mph and the flame gap.
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I appreciate there is a significant weight difference with the Stash and the MiniMo, but the MiniMo is a far better thought out JetBoil - it surprised me
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Balagan
Thru Hiker
Give us a shout if that recycle box gets turned into a sell-it-off box. I'll take the Ocelot off your hands.
Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
After 10 minutes on full power it failed to boil 500ml of water (using a 2/3 full C500 canister) - It reached 61 degrees C and had used 13g of gas.
If the Stash is going after the UL market and has this performance in the wind, it is going to develop a bad reputation very quickly. I have been hearing a few comments already about it being a "fair weather" system.
If the Stash is going after the UL market and has this performance in the wind, it is going to develop a bad reputation very quickly. I have been hearing a few comments already about it being a "fair weather" system.
Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
I would totally agree, a summer / shoulder months stove. It might appear to be after the UL market on the face of things - but it’s really a mass market stove that gives the impression of lightweight ‘kudos’.
I was delighted with a consistent 5g efficiency, despite longer boil times with lower pressure. But the failure to boil at 5mph was something I haven’t seen in any other gas stove that I use.
I think the longer boil times as canister pressure drops will take its toll in colder temperatures.
The stove strikes me as a bit of a gimmick - but marketing is something JetBoil does in spade loads.
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Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
I like the pot, the burner feels underpowered - there is a flame gap you could drive a bus through - it’s marketed as a titanium burner - bits of it are Ti.
The thing comes as a compact package, but only if you use 100g canister. That’s it’s real unique selling point.
Honestly, in my view a Windmaster and a Titan / Alpkit / whoever Ti kettle is far more versatile and effective in a variety of conditions.
Mole
Thru Hiker
Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
The burner is ‘awkward’ in design.
Here it is and the chunky bit on the pot.
Here it is and the chunky bit on the pot.
Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
No argument there.
I would agree, however other stoves survive perfectly well without - at 5mph the efficiency may be diminished but at least they can boil water.
Foxster
Section Hiker
Looking at the pictures of the Stash pot again got me wondering...
How much bonding between the heat exchanger ring and the pot body are needed? Wonder if just a push fit would be reasonably effective?
If so then maybe it'd be possible to make a range of rings to fit the common titanium pot sizes. A little like the MSR Heat Exchanger but lighter and smaller and a better fit.
How much bonding between the heat exchanger ring and the pot body are needed? Wonder if just a push fit would be reasonably effective?
If so then maybe it'd be possible to make a range of rings to fit the common titanium pot sizes. A little like the MSR Heat Exchanger but lighter and smaller and a better fit.
Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
Having pulled one off a pot, I can say they’re quite well bonded - it made a right mess
Rog Tallbloke
Thru Hiker
There are a couple of problems to overcome. Aluminium conducts heat a lot faster than Ti, so you'd want to use Alu for your heat exchanger. No-one makes Ti HX pots, and there's a reason for that. You can't weld these dissimilar metals, and a push fit at room temperature would be a falling off fit when it was hot because Alu expands a lot more than Ti with temperature. It might be possible to use a heat conducting adhesive such as Belzona E-metal, but again, differential expansion would likely crack that off after a short time.
Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
Like you, I prefer a pot that can take the gas canister stowed inside - The Stash pot is very good and only just manages to take a 230g canister - it does fit
The windmaster works well with it.
Using the same used canister as the other tests (which is depleted further) I’ve just tried a Pocket Rocket 2 (unregulated) which achieved a 3 minute boil using 5g - I had it wound back quite a bit. I then wound it back even further for a 4 min 45 boil using only 4g. Obviously I would need to do multiple sessions to achieve some sort of average.
So a 230g canister stashed in the Stash means you have to carry the burner head separately anyway, so taking a PR or Primus Expess / Micron ... Windmaster or whatever makes a nice little set up. On the other hand, you could take the supplied burner and best everything very neatly with a 100g canister and pot stabiliser...
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Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
I know these have been around for yonks, but mine arrived from China this morning and I would agree - it’s poor quality but does a job - £12 including postage.
Ive been fiddling with it all morning. On low / medium output the flame pattern is very tight, it started to soot and ‘hot spot’ the base of the pot. It dwindled to a ‘candle like’ yellow flame after 6 minutes (on low output), I tried to revive it by turning up the gas but it just shut down and blocked. It worked immediately afterwards.
It clearly likes to run at higher outputs, fine for boiling water.
It is what it is, and does the job it was designed to do.
TinTin
Thru Hiker
Exactly!
Fossil Bluff
Thru Hiker
BRS 3000t at 2 mph wind
No pleasing some folk...
Have you fiddled with your Stash yet, Jon?
Finishing the video as we speak. Good news is that my data matches yours as well.No pleasing some folk...
Have you fiddled with your Stash yet, Jon?