fuel efficiency?

Discussion in 'Kitchen' started by Munro277, Oct 21, 2018.

  1. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Neither of the BRS3000s I have are much faster than alcohol for me. Terrible in any wind at all. The Soto is 3 times as fast at least. I don't find it being taller than most burners a problem. All cart top stoves are a balancing act in my experience.

    The BRS 3000 comes on summer holiday trips as UL backup for the scenario where alcohol is not available but gas is.
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  2. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    Aye the BRS-3000 is a great little stove, but terrible if there is any wind
    That's what interested me in trying the Soto windmaster, as said great performance, especially if there is any wind, but shockingly terrible ergonomics

    I either have to carry the SWM seperateto my cup and canister, or take a 900ml pot, neither is ideal

    The Kovea spider is still the best stove i've used, 170g though :eek:[/QUOTE]



    i have also had my eye on the windmaster, or rather father Christmas has.... i would prefer the ergonomics of it all fitting inside my pot though which is where the BRS is good.


    i also like the look of the Kovea Superlight which is also known as the snowpeak litemax which looks reasonable for £34. it uses the same head as the spider which is good for simmering.

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  3. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I only brew up at night so speed isn't a priority, though I tried to get the fastest meths setup I could which I know doesn't make much sense!
  4. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    one person wanted to carry 6kg of it for some unknown reason...
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  5. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    It's all very well it being compact for stashing, but personally I prefer adequate performance ;)

    Luckily , as I posted before. The Windmaster fits fine inside a 650ml or larger pot of the 95mm diameter series. (Toaks, Alpkit, Snowpeaketc) together with a 100g cart :)

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  6. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    A wind sheild makes a massive difference, but me being me i can rarely be arsed to use it
    When i do boil times are fast though

    Being so small and light it's a really handy stove



    The other Soto burner was discussed the other day, Soto Amityville or something like that :bag:

    This seemed a better option than the WM as it didn't have the stupid removable pot stand

    Aye, no canister feet in there though by the looks of it
    For me, i have to turn the canister upside down for the feet to fit, so the canister doesn't "interface" as well with the burner

    I think i'll just not bother with the feet, good call Mole :thumbsup:

    Do you know if the Soto Amityville (or whatever it's called) fits in a 650ml mug as well?

    Might be a good compromise
  7. JKM

    JKM Thru Hiker

    Amicus?

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    now i have eminem's amityville song going round and round in my head...
  8. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Soto Amicus.

    To be honest, that photo is a demo.
    The Soto sits mostly in a similar diameter taller 1l jetboil pot. With the canister stand.:)
    But I have used the 650 pot on occasion. (Without stand)

    I often just hold steady cart top setups anyway. Cart in one hand , pot handle in other - even with a canister stand. Too many pot slidy mishaps in the past!

    The exception is the jetboil pan with the Windmaster, as I've cut slots in the base for best flame gap/performance. So it stays put.
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  9. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Toaks 650ml

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    Aplkit 650ml

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    JUST fits in a Toaks 650ml without canister feet, but i can't get the lid on

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    I tried to find a mug that was the same diameter but was 11cm tall, but couldn't find anything that was lighter than my Evernew 900ml pot, which is what i use with this burner now.
    900ml is too big though
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  10. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Is that withor without the canister stand?

    Try turning the canister up the other way like in my pic? It all fits in my Toaks 650 with a coleman 100cart and lid goes on fine. :p
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  11. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    My gas stove never comes off the cart until it's empty. :) Same with remotes etc. Why even bother? It just introduces dirt into the stove internals, makes me have to dry my pots, and risks blocking a jet. Blocked jets are no fun to clear without a wire.

    The Soto amicus I've just started using is even better than the pocket rocket for carrying on the cart, and I rated that because the plastic box worked great as a guard to stop the feet stabbing holes in stuff. The Amicus is super short and lacks sharp bits when folded, so won't poke into anything with it's little carry bag over the top.
  12. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    The last pic is without the canister stand with the canister upright
    It's close but i can't get the lid on

    Cinched down the pot stuff sack, but the whole thing rattles around like a Texas chain gang cleaning a library

    I can play tetras and get everything snug in my 900ml, bit awkward drinking my tea/coffee out of the 900ml pot though
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  13. Henry

    Henry Ultralighter

    (How do you embed the photos, Mole?)
  14. Padstowe

    Padstowe Section Hiker

    @gixer
    The soto amicus fits in the toaks 650 with msr 110gr can with about a 1mm lift on the lid at the edge its at, lid pushes down easy though & when tied down in the toaks sack doesn't seem to move.
    Both stoves have the same power output but the amicus doesn't have a regulator like the windmaster, depending how well this works could be the winning factor as it would give an over all better performance (I would think?) but more noticeable in colder temps.
    (I've only gone & bought a windmaster the other day :angelic:, well it can always keep the amicus company in the box :bag:)
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  15. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I think you are probably in a minority there Teepee.
    Henry. I'm uploading. You don't have the facility as your name is in blue not green - the latter meaning I've paid a fiver as aa contributing member.

    But you can still embed images hosted elsewhere by coping their URL and pasting in the dialog box displayed by clicking the picture icon in the toolbar.
  16. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Gixer.
    I guess we have different pots. Mine is the TOAKS 650-L without any capacity markings. Or different size canisters maybe.

    If desperate for packing nicely in a 95mm pot I'd consider a taller one. Think they have Toaks 800 or 850s D95 on Ali Express

    TOAKS POT-800 Ultralight Titanium Pot Outdoor Camping Cookware Titanium Water Cup Folding Handle 800ml
    https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/cHtWDMXX
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  17. Henry

    Henry Ultralighter

    I was wondering why my stuff fitted so well inside my pots. Then I measured them...

    One is 1000, the other 500:jawdrop:

    I like my food:(

    Regarding the photos, I’ll throw money at Shewie. Bound to work.
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  18. Henry

    Henry Ultralighter

    Slightly necro thread raising, but I’m putting this out there for info.

    Recent Ali express cone and toakes 900 purchase ( see what have you bought thread).

    500ml water 19 to 78 degrees (bubbles) in 4 mins 30 with 11g fuel, using a speedster 30. I thought that was ok?
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  19. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    With a Speedster stove and a Toaks 550 (narrow) pot I would expect to get 400ml of 18 degree water heated to boiling (98 degrees) in about 7 minutes on 10g of fuel, so yours looks to be quite fast and reasonably efficient.
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  20. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    60C temp rise for 11g of fuel is reasonable but doesn't look optimum efficiency.
    My bench testing with 900 Evernew, cone & MYO stove (similar to Speedster) will repeatedly give >90C rise (500ml) with 13 - 14g.
    I'd check the flame gap (stove to pot bottom), my cone gives a gap of 35mm nominal (30 - 40mm in the field), too large or small a gap will result in lower efficiency.
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  21. Henry

    Henry Ultralighter

    I’ll play today:)

    As you can tell I have an afternoon off.
    I am ignoring my “jobs”:cautious:
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  22. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Just checked out your photo of the Aliexpress setup, looking at the supplied stove it would seem likely that the flame gap is too large; it doesn't look like the cone is easily shortened should it be desirable but shim under the Speedster is easy.
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