First cook system

Discussion in 'Kitchen' started by Barua, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    HE pots do give faster boil times too.

    But it's a bit of a myth that the longer the trip means gas is always more weight efficient. Only in in some few cases. ( E.g. if you need exactly a full canister amount of fuel for the trip). And that's only with a setup no/not much heavier than an alcohol/esbit setup. Once you start using heavier stoves n pans gas isn't really ever any more weight efficient.

    It's clean,(potentially ) fast, and convenient, easy to use (cookability). ( Good for snow melting?)

    I use a Jetboil (HE) pot and Soto Windmaster. It's fast and efficient. But mainly only for day walks/Bivi trips and work.
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  2. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    All true IME. The maths omits the fact that the water boils much quicker, food doesn't stick as much, you can cook proper food without burning it and it saves on the cost/bulk of gas cans.
    Very often, in practical terms I take less gas with the heat exchanger pan than the Ti pans and it makes my life far easier. I also notice that the windshield becomes much less important to use.

    (Edit; must clarify that I very rarely do trips that aren't multi-dayers and I cook and eat out of the pot).
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  3. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Hence I started looking at HE pots now for potential longer hikes, after reading that.
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  4. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

  5. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    I haven't done more than 3 dayers since the 80's but I'm hoping to. I should be fit enough when I retire in 20 years :tongue:
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  6. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Oops, I think I ordered one........:angelic: I'm sure I'll do some testing using the Kovea Spider once it arrives.
    Routinely I'll only plan on getting 4 nights out of a 230g canister in winter (there's still some left in the tin), double summer usage; extra hot drinks, filling the Nalgene with hot water, cold water (0 - 4C), melting snow etc all add up to a lot more fuel usage & it's a bit of a pain to carry a larger tin or a spare 100g canister......if the reviews are accurate(ish) on efficiency it may extend this to 5 or 6 nights.
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  7. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I’ve got one, use it with my Svea for snow melting duties on pulk trips
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  8. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    That means you have to review it for us now :hilarious:
  9. Barua

    Barua Backpacker

    Seems to be a side effect of this site!

    ... and yes please do let us know how you find it :whistling:
  10. Barua

    Barua Backpacker

    I have another question but it doesn't really need it's own three so I'mm adding it here hope that's okay.
    That Soto Amicus + river pot kit has a pot with a plastic lid, is this a problem if I'm using it with an alcohol burner? I'm thinking of giving the speedster 30ml and Combined Windscreens/Pot Rests a go.
  11. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    The plastic lid will probably be OK as there'll not be flames licking up the sides of the pot.
    If you're really concerned just make a replacement from aluminium foil (not standard baking foil but a disposable serving plater or recycle a supermarket pie/ flan dish), it only needs basic tailoring with a pair of scissors & a piece of tape for a lifter.
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  12. Stube

    Stube Summit Camper

    If you're useing a canister top stove, a canister stand will make your cooking setup at lot more stable.
    Aluminium is lighter, cheaper and has better thermal properties than titanium. It's strong enough for hikeing purposes.
    A pot cozy will save a lot of fuel - no need to simmer over a flame.
    A second small pot (or metal mug) can be handy if you're cooking more than one course.
    I also find a small thermos flask very useful: Teapot for the breakfast cuppa, hot drink during the day, and store coffee to finish dinner, while I have a soup starter and wait for the main course to cook. (Desert is usually fruit or chocolate).
  13. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker

    How very civilised :thumbsup:
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  14. Stube

    Stube Summit Camper

    My walks are usually a week or more, and you can never get enough calories - I always lose weight.
    On my rare 1/2 nighters I'll have less.
  15. Baldy

    Baldy Thru Hiker


    These little systems are very cheap and simple.
    Some foil, a pot and fuel. ( yesterday afternoon lockdown 7AE067C7-89FE-43AC-BBF5-BF68C1BAAAA7.jpeg 37915A8C-4B69-4B95-8AC6-1AFF6487C78A.jpeg boredom)
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  16. PhilHo

    PhilHo Thru Hiker

    Not wishing to add to information overload but Alpkit Mytipot 900ml Titanium with lid £26 at the moment. 120g Hard to beat at that price. Buy a bit of silicone tube and make the handles insulated for a few grams more. Works with any fuel.

    I've gone back to pour and store bags and a home made cozy for them for the actual rehydration heating of food process.

    If you want a gas stove you'll not go far wrong with a BRS Ultralight fro £17 from Amazon. 26g

    As others have said make your self a windshield from an aly roasting dish.
  17. turkeyphant

    turkeyphant Summit Camper

    I can't get on with alcohol especially in practice as opposite to theory. Since you're on a budget but not drop €25 on a BRS stove and decent lightweight pot and call it a day>
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