Design Your Own Tent: here's my go. Opinions?

Discussion in 'DIY & MYOG' started by WilliamC, May 13, 2020.

  1. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    I could make you a Tyvek prototype to test. That way you get to try it out for size before committing big bucks. It'll be pretty durable and light anyway, so you might decide you like it as is.
  2. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Thanks for the offer but with us being out of the UK, covid extra things could get complicated.
    The reason Xavier says it would need prototyping is due to the stretch in the netting and the netting being attached to the fly it might take a prototype or two to get the panel geometry of the net doors and the degree of catenary cut right.
    I'm going to give this project some more thought.
    While you're here, the Aricxi Mid that's waiting for me to pick up in the UK: is that their old material for the fly or is it their newer stuff they've started using with the Patrolish tarp?
  3. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    It seems to be a 20D halfway material. Slightly silkier than the old material (It's sil both sides), but less 'see-through' than the 15D (Sil one side, taped seams the other). If postage to Turkey is easier from France. I could post it to you when we get over there, hopefully in July.
  4. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Thanks again for the offer. Postage to Turkey has recently become impossible (regardless of covid). Any packet has to clear customs, which includes proof of payment for the goods, and links to where it was bought. These days I only buy from Amazon with their prepaid customs option, or from companies which ship with DHL Express of Fedex, as they will deal with customs (though they still require a link to the goods on the site where they were bought).
    We are supposed to be back in the UK for my niece's wedding, but I wouldn't bet on it.
  5. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    That sounds quite promising.
  6. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    @oreocereus I believe you had a Tipik groundsheet in 20D silpoly. What did you think of it as a groundsheet material?
  7. oreocereus

    oreocereus Section Hiker

    In theory I liked it, less slippery. In practice I didn't use it, as my tips tended to make more sense with a bivvy (same weight) - so I only used it one night.
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  8. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Well, things are inching forwards we've this. It looks as if it will have to be separate outer and inner, which is a pity and will add 60-70g, I reckon.
    There are two decisions I'm finding difficult. The first is whether to go for 20D silpoly, or whether to go with 40D silnylon at an extra weight (my rough calculation) of 120-150g and with cold/wet sag but stronger. I know that this is one I have to decide for myself, but any relevant thoughts/experiences would be gratefully received.
    The second decision is whether to go with Uretek water resistant zippers on the fly or standard YKK coil zippers with a rain flap. Uretek zippers would be #5, standard could be #8. Are rain flaps a pain? Are they more weather proof than the Uretek in practice? Bear in mind that the top of the zippers are over the inner.
    Thanks for everyone's help so far.
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  9. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Not sure what the X-Mid is denier wise but it feels solid enough to me.

    One consideration might be that you change tents almost as often as your underwear, so will longevity be a huge issue (tent, not underwear)...?

    ...but as you have more free time ergo might use the shelter more...

    Rain flaps can be a pain; perhaps less so in silpoly than silnylon. The X-Mid definetly gets this right.
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  10. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Guess you going with Tipik then?

    On the tarptents, the rainflaps on outer zippers are a niggle, as they often snatch in the zip. Also no3 zips are a potential weak spot. Looks like Tarptent are slowly changing over to waterproof no5 zips on all shelters. Which is a good thing IMO. As long as they last. The Xmid zips feel good. Think MLD did them plus a rain flap!

    But... Over the inner... Dunno.

    Edit, To me, Xmid 'silpoly' feels and drapes completely differently to Tipik/Trekkertent (i.e. RBTR) silpoly
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  11. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I always think the only time you can be sure the rain flap is in the correct position is when your outside the shelter lol.

    You'd hope if the WP zips let any water through it would be a seep, and act like condensation, and with any luck and not too much jiggling of the tarp would run down the fabric.
    Only shelter I've had with WP zips is my tramp, but the door isn't over the sleeping area so not sure I'd notice if it had leaked.
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  12. oreocereus

    oreocereus Section Hiker

    Could you do a WP zipper with a flap on the section that overhangs the sleeping area for some redundancy?
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  13. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    The X-Mid is also 20D, though I remember @dandurston saying that it was a denser weave than some, so denier is not the only criteria. I seem to remember some back and forth on BPL over the advantages of polyester and nylon, to which Dan D contributed. I'll have to look at them again. The UV resistance of silpoly could be useful for what is planned to be a high altitude summer tent.
    I think accumulate is a better verb than change - we haven't sold a tent since we got the Duplex in 2013.*
    The beauty of now hiking out of two different homes is that we need kit for both of them ;). We currently have three tents in Turkey, two in Antakya and one in Kaş**. At current usage, the Duplex probably has two years before it will start to suffer from cuben's known deterioration.
    More shelter usage post retirement was the plan; covid-19 may have other ideas :(.
    I'm not overly keen on having rain flaps, but it would allow stronger (#8) zips.



    *So, yes, about as often as I change my underwear :redface:

    **We do also have a cuben flat tarp, which I shall be hoping to sell the next time we're in the UK.
  14. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Unless anyone has any other ideas, Tipik seems to be the only option.
    Now I think about it, I remember having the flap snagging on the Golight Shangrila, too. Mind you, we usually leave the doors open, so it wouldn't be something that caused a problem every day. Also, I'm not too worried about the Uretek leaking, more that they will have to be #5, rather than stronger #8.
    As you've noticed, not all silpolies are the same. I wonder how much of the difference in the hand is a difference in the weave and how much is due to the PU in the X-mid. I know it's not easy to say, but did you get a feeling about the relative strengths?
    I think you're right. The zip is over the sleeping area on the Dirigo and we've had no problems with that in some nasty rain.
    That could be a great idea. There will be buckles about half-way up the doors so that the bottom half (approx) can be left open in rain. In the event of a complete zip failure, the buckle and a rain flap might make things less tragic.
    At the moment, I'm thinking Uretek #5 with half rain flap.
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  15. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Did you get a feeling about the relative strengths?

    Not really. Xmid fabric feels familiar, more like a fabric that might be used by MSR or similar.

    The RBTR silpoly on the Drift at first felt quite novel and exotic for a tent fabric, even as someone used to silnylon from previous tents.
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  16. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Do you know that the Tipik silpoly is RBTR stuff? Did you ever have the Drift in high winds? (Sorry for all the questions.)
    Any other Trekkertent silpoly tent owners here with experience of harsh weather?
  17. oreocereus

    oreocereus Section Hiker

    If you don't get an answer here, there's a trekkertent owners group on facebook that might have more feedback?
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  18. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Good idea. You're on a roll today :)
  19. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I would say yes it is likely to be RBTR by specs n colours and seeing Dave Vs pioulou and myDrift.

    The Drift is peg dependent. And its not a novel design, so pretty proven. We had it in very heavy rainstorms on the trip we used it, with a bit of a blow, and it was OK. But nothing like UK hill winds.
  20. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    On BPL, there is a report of an X-mid with a long rip up from the bottom hem. It would appear that there was abrasion against rocks which weakened the hem. This gives me pause, not so much because of the damage to the hem but because of how easily the tear appears to have propogated. Obviously, try to avoid having your tent rubbing on rocks, but this tent is going to be used in some very rocky conditions.
  21. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    I saw that.
    No different from silnylon really. My Golite Hex3 did similar about 10 years ago when caught out by unexpected extreme weather in the Rhinogs with @Imperial Dave and oookworks Sean. Hem rubbed through on rock, then a rip up the panel.
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  22. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

  23. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Though the silnylon at Tipik has more than three times the tear strength of the 20D silpoly. Though it will degrade faster in UV.
    Hmmmm.
  24. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    How strong do the winds get round your way?
    Hard to turn down 3 X
  25. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Most of the time, not too strong. Certainly, it's usuall less than in the UK. But you get the occasional days when it can get bad, though above 30mph is pretty rare. And we're usually able to find some shelter. But with this tent I'm looking for something where I can lie in bed and listen to it howl without worrying.
    I notice that @el manana's Phreeranger is silpoly. Since he seems to have gone walkabout, do you know if he's happy with it @edh? He seems to have had itin some windy stuff.

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