Design Your Own Tent: here's my go. Opinions?

Discussion in 'DIY & MYOG' started by WilliamC, May 13, 2020.

  1. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    Are you tempted to go hybrid single skin like the duplex/dirigo?

    I like the design, seemed ideal to me till Mole pointed out the benefits of the SS/Durston designs.
    I'd guess single apex is better in wind ultimately though?

    Only bit I don't like with mids and full inners is getting in and out in rain without the bathtub filling.

    I'd be tempted to make something like your design in 0.8 cuben if the future was more certain, it's a lot of fabric!

    I've cut out the inner of my duplex copy, the fly now is no heavier than my tramplite so it's something I'd consider taking doing summer lowland walks, huge space for <350g.
    My Mrs prefers inners so I might buy one of the lanshan 2 inners, probably the winter version as Anna sleeps much colder than me. Weight seems about 500g so 850g all in.

    Be nice if knot did a 2p version of the mini mid with duel pole adapter and bigger vestibules/zips both sides.
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  2. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    I think my Howff at 265cm long/wide is pushing it even for me (5'4") re. SB pushing against the ends - but I am using an inner ??
    Pole/strings/sheets (tyvek?) required to check it all out for you. :)
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  3. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    That's the idea, single skin hybrid. I like the ease of set up (the inner restrains the fly so you don't have to guess how far to pull it out) and I like being able to wipe down the condensation from inside the inner.
    I suspect it will be a little better in the wind, as the sides are less steep and poles in A-frame are very strong and stable. That's not the main point over the X-mid for me, though, it's the smaller footprint. I was going to go for the X-mid, but the footprint and not knowing where we were going to be when it finally shipped stopped me. The X-mid looks more liveable.
    Rain comes lower down our list of concerns, obviously. However, we have used the Dirigo in heavy rain and hail and as long as you're quick - put your shoes on before you open the door! - it isn't a problem.
    This design does allow you to open the doors nearly halfway before rain gets in. The higher buckles are there so the doors can be left partially open without rain landing on the inner.
    I'll take one!
    This comes close, but the vestibules are small. If it were single-skin hybrid, it would tick all my boxes. We've got one sitting in the UK waiting for us, but who knows when we'll be able to pick it up.
  4. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Not using an inner certainly gives you more room above your head and feet. Comparing this with the Dirigo (no ridge pole but higher peak), they're pretty much the same in terms of space. Many think the Dirigo is too small for two, but it works for us.
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  5. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    The tent in my avatar is pretty similar to what you suggest. It's what Graham and myself came up with for an ideal tent on here many moons ago, and it comes pretty close IME. Mk1 in 75d sil sheds the wind far better than a Trailstar and it makes the Khufu look like a toy.:biggrin:
    To make your design, I'd simply duplicate either the back or front end, halve and seam the sides, tweak to put zips and the beak in. It would easily take 2 people and an inner.

    I've often thought of doing it, a slightly squashed bomber version of the hex peak with vents. TBH, I really like the offset pole though, and the way it stays out of the way of the floor.
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  6. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

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  7. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    So that's kind of like a one peak Notch, right? Should be pretty strong.
  8. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    So, ahem, are you open for business?
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  9. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Teepee is making me one :angelic:
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  10. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Tipik-tentes will take on custom builds so I'm going to send them the design and see if they think it's possible and what the cost would be. I've done @cathyjc's suggest of a mock up and it feels pretty much like the Dirigo inside, which is what I was designing towards, but I'll ask T-T about adding 10cm to the width to give a little room for maneuver.
    So Pioulou of Aston owners (@Dave V, @Balagan?), any comments on silpoly vs silnylon? How are the Piolou zipperless doors working out for you?
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  11. Dave V

    Dave V Moderator Staff Member

    I don't have mine any more but I never had door issues and the Silpoly was nice. more slippery in my hands than Silnylon but seemed more that strong enough.

    On this camp, when I pitched the wind was coming from behind but it changed through the night. The wind did a 180 and was blowing 25-35 all night from what I remember. The Akto was pretty flappy but the Pioulou stood without issue.

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  12. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    The silpoly Pioulou use is the RBTR stuff. Same as Trekkertent. Silky and soft compared to silnylon.

    Quite a different "hand" to the "silpoly" material used in the x mid.
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  13. Balagan

    Balagan Thru Hiker

    I can't say as I never pulled the trigger on a Pioulou.
  14. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    So you're getting an orange one, then.
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  15. edh

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  16. Cranston

    Cranston Thru Hiker

    Perhaps @oreocereus was/is a Pioulou owner?
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  17. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Presumably the different hand is due to the X-mis using sil/PU coating while the Pioulou is silicone both sides. I guess that should make the Pioulou silpoly stronger.
  18. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Maybe. It's quite different weave too.

    Having used the Trekkertent Drift2, it stuffs more easily than the Xmid or silnylon.
  19. Clare

    Clare Thru Hiker

    Isn't this an Aeon, with a zip?

    Ah... there is a whole page of chat about this that I missed before I posted. :eggonface:
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  20. oreocereus

    oreocereus Section Hiker

    It feels softer. I can’t say from personal experience how it compares for strength, but I like the material for pack size, lack of sag in wet, easier pitch than DCF and lower cost (and longer life expectancy). I owned a DCF solomid prior to the Pioulou, and the Pioulou is less than 30g heavier - seems like a winning change. I find the Pioulou far easier to pitch taut (maybe I was a little OCD on the difficulty of getting DCF to a perfect pitch).

    I like the doors, but I wish it could use one stake instead of three.
    I actually visited Tipik, as I was in south France when thinking about getting one. He was prototyping a hybrid Pioulou and was keen for feedback so I slept in it. I suggested a way of reducing the three beak stakes to one (or two), and he spent quite a lot of time refining that design, but ultimately wasn’t happy with the compromises it forced elsewhere (the doors can overlap fully this way) so didn’t keep pursuing that.
    But, they work well, give easy venting/porching options and I don’t find them harder to use than a zipper (though two hands is needed - but I always use two hands with zippers to avoid putting any excess pressure on seams). And I presume they’re part of the reason the weight competes with my DCF solomid.

    why did you sell yours Dave?
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  21. Rog Tallbloke

    Rog Tallbloke Thru Hiker

    Is that washing line out front long enough for your wardrobe Teeps?
  22. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    I'm not sure Ed has the required experience for an orange one. He is still in 'leisure shoes'. :biggrin:
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  23. edh

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  24. Teepee

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  25. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    Unfortunately, Xavier says he can't do it as a custom build as its complexity means that it would need prototyping. Thanks to everybody for their contributions.

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