Dan Durston/Massdrop X-Mid

Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Aug 3, 2018.

  1. happycamper

    happycamper Trail Blazer

    I have both the 1 and 2p tents and would happily buy solid inners for both as an accessory. Mesh great in summer, solid for rest of year.
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  2. Robert P

    Robert P Ultralighter

    I for one would happily buy a solid inner separately, or even a complete tent with solid inner (and have a spare outer). For most of the year I'd expect to use the mesh inner anyway as the low fly stops most of the wind.
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  3. oreocereus

    oreocereus Thru Hiker

    If drop did pick it up, would there be no aftermarket option for the solid inner for those who already own the shelter?
  4. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Edit: misread late at night. :D
  5. turkeyphant

    turkeyphant Trekker

    I would buy this.
  6. turkeyphant

    turkeyphant Trekker

    Although what's people's main reason for UK camping wanting a non-mesh inner? Is it just warmth?
  7. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    Draughts especially when it’s cool/cold.
  8. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Funny you should say that........under construction
    X-mid walls.jpg
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  9. Robin

    Robin Moderator Staff Member

    Good solution :thumbsup:
  10. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Finally finished, completed draft wall around 450mm high around the nest.....not the best of tailoring/ sewing & in retrospect it probably would have been easier/ quicker to start from scratch.......but it will do the job, used 26g/m2 tent inner fabric & the weights' increase by 48g.

    X-mid walls.jpg
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  11. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Nice work.
    Considered something similar.
    Or making from scratch with a better floor fabric. (Quite sceptical of the Xmid floor durability compared to 30d Silnylon)

    Which fabric are you using please.
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  12. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    I'll put a bit of detail in the 'what have you made today' thread but the Fabric was a 15D nylon from AE. I bought 3m so I've got
    enough left over for repeat, I could send it if you wish?
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  13. Henry

    Henry Ultralighter

    Careful @Mole . We might start placing orders with you...;)
  14. Robert P

    Robert P Ultralighter

    The X-Mid seems fairly tolerant to angling the poles a bit so potentially could make space for a slightly wider inner if making from scratch. I agree the floor is the least durable part of the tent.
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  15. qy_

    qy_ Trail Blazer

    I have also been thingking of starting to use the poles a bit angeled sine it does not seem to impact the tent much.
  16. qy_

    qy_ Trail Blazer

    I have now used it in the mountains for a autum week and both the tent and the bivy performed well. One night I had light condensation and I actually noted condensation on the ripstop mesh I had changed to in the head-end but not on the noseeum net next to it. So I dont recommed this mod, Unmodded thre is ripstop mesh in the footend only and that seems ok, I had no condensation in the foot-end. The longer bivy still had plenty of space in the X-mid also in practical use, you can have probably make it 5 cm more if needed. The hood was not used due to the conditions. I really like that this solution with double J-zips makes the bivy roof go away when cooking etc. so you get a high roof and a lot of headspace, more than with the inner (of cause). And still, zipped this bivy is a bit like a solid inner tent, creating some inner space while laying down.
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  17. Warren569

    Warren569 Day Walker

    Hi all, I am new to this forum, so hello! I have read a lot of interesting posts so far, and wanted to share my experience with the X-Mid 2. I'll start by saying I had/have little experience with poleless tents, I made my own single skin poleless tent @20 years ago which surpisingly worked, and also own a tarp which has been used as a basic shelter rather than for camping. I also own various poled 2P tents, favourite being my 15+ year old Crux X2 which has saved me a few times. In recent years my time was taken up with other sporting endeavours, so when lockdown came along, and sporting events were cancelled, I seized my chance to get out in the hills again. I decided there was a need for a lighter 2p tent, with a target weight of @750-1250g. It also had to be easy to pack in a 40-45ltr rucksack, and be able to cope with UK conditions i.e. unpredictable weather and mozzies/midges. I came across the X-Mid when looking at the myriad options available,and it seemed to tick all of my boxes, plus the unique design appealed to me. Fast forward to August, I was doing a 7-day wild camping trip in the Isle of Arran with my 11yr old son, who was wild camping for the first time. The X-Mid could be stuffed into my pack quite easily without taking up much room, and split from the inner if I wanted to rearrange my pack (which was required as the 7 days of food depleted each day). The first issue I encountered, when high above the Glen Rosa pass looking for a place to pitch, is the X-Mid 2's large footprint which is large and square. It isn't always easy to find a large enough area to put the tent down with enough flatish ground to get a decent pitch, and also got a little disorientated a few times when trying to line up the inner when on a sloping pitch. This gets better with practice, but something worth mentioning. The space inside the inner is very good, I used a Nemo wide regular air mat with my sone on a neolite x-lite air regular, and we could easily fit with some space to spare. There is also 2 massive vestibules that can easily store kit, though with boggy ground it wasn't always an option, so a lot of kit was kept inside without much of an issue. We never felt cold on the trip when in the full mesh inner high up above the treeline, but we did get caught in a unexpected storm one night, which had the fly flapping, then getting water sodden and sagging, and eventually lying against the inner with repetative gusts. The tent became waterlogged and we spent a wet night with the tent on our faces, but I am not blaming the X-Mid as it was being used in an exposed area above the treeline i.e. not its design brief. We also ended up with a slight hole in the lower tent fly, which was caused by a rock falling up against it, and we somehow lost one of the corner guys (which was knotted in the guy lock), but this could have been due to the aformentioned storm. Last weekend we used it in Dartmoor, and wehn oitched with greater care (and a little more experience) we had not issues whatsoever and I 100% enjoyed using it. Upcoming mods are to attach a guy out in each of the main side panels, to provide support where the fly touches the inner (in gusts), so will be trying that out in the next couple of weeks when the bits arrive. So would recommend the X-Mid to anyone looking for a lightweight and versatile tent, just get some experience pitching it before going out in the wilds.
  18. Rickyboyd

    Rickyboyd Trekker

    A conclusion I have taken away regarding the Xmid 2p was to replace the guy’s for 2.5mm.

    Could any one recommend the best product to use for this please and place to purchase this too please.
  19. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    Adventure Xpert has 2.5mm braided polyester cord that would probably suit, the 3mm polyester holds very well in the LL3's.
    Then there's THIS STUFF on eBay that may be suitable.
  20. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    I swapped all my guylines on my Tarptent with MLD 2,7mm 'Pro Guyline' as recommended by @Mole . It works really well with Linelocs; it's easy to adjust and does not slip.
  21. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I use eBay polypro...the tent anchor points will fail before most polypropylene does...
  22. Whiteburn

    Whiteburn Thru Hiker

    The Xmid uses Line Lock Lights not LL3's the specified max diameter for these is 2.5mm.
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  23. dandurston

    dandurston Trail Blazer

    I've recently been doing a lot of tensioner testing, I find that

    LL3's with 2.5mm slip at 18-20kg
    LL3's with 2.7mm slip at 25 kg

    As mentioned, the X-Mid 2P uses LineLoc Lite's that are slightly smaller than LL3's so you get equal holding power on a bit smaller line.

    LLL's with 2.0mm slip at 11 kg (stock setup)
    LLL's with 2.5mm slip at 22 kg (upcoming setup).

    So 2.5mm in these LLL tensioners works similar to 2.7mm in LL3's. The stock cord now is 2.0mm (I previously erred when I said it was 1.5mm) but will be 2.5mm for the next batch.
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2020
  24. Rickyboyd

    Rickyboyd Trekker

    Great thank you.
  25. Rickyboyd

    Rickyboyd Trekker

    Dan kudos on the Xmid. I went out in mine on the weekend having just purchased it. Really impressed so far.

    Was absolutely still dry night so not really been tested.

    Got to say I love the inner pockets. I know of all the things to love but they are so much better than what I’ve been use to.
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