Couple of quilt questions

Discussion in 'Sleeping Bags & Quilts' started by SafetyThird, Dec 19, 2017.

  1. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Ultralighter

    Considering my first quilt. Current sleeping bag is an old but very serviceable Rab Atlas 750 which is a bit too warm for the summer but great for colder nights and has been my all-round bag for 25 years. However, it's 1.5kg and I'm looking to lighten my pack.

    I've watched a few posts on quilts but looking at the As Tucas quilt along with some others, they basically look like they do up with catches and seem to be the same size as a sleeping bag but with the opening down the back. Are they physically much smaller or larger or smaller than a typical sleeping bag or are they just missing the hood and zip.

    What sort of fill weight would you recommend for 3 season UK use. I'm reasonably slim and sleep probably just a little cold.

    Any other european manufacturers to look at other than As Tucas, as they seem to have some great reviews of the Foratata quilt that they'll be releasing soon. Just about to take delivery of my Tarptent Scarp 1 tomorrow and, due to my tent mule having to cancel his US trip at the very last moment, I've just been stung for £160 in shipping and fees so looking to perhaps stay within the EU for the next purchase.

    Thanks.
  2. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    There are a couple of people where who have used quilts by Cumulus, a Polish manufacturer. They use high quality Polish down, Pertex Quantum and they're fully customizable if needed.

    Also, they're not really that expensive... but the quality is pretty good.

    About the fill weight, 350 - 400 grams of 800 FP down seems about right for 3-season use, when paired with a proper pad. At least IMO.

    Don't skimp out on a decent pad: I think that the insulation value of your pad becomes even more important when using a quilt.

    I like a wide quilt, so I can tuck it underneath me or even close it up if necessary.
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  3. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Ultralighter

    Thanks Arne. I have an Exped Downmat 9 for winter use and looking to get a summer weight mat for next year, or perhaps just get an Xtherm and use the same one year round.
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  4. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    I have an As Tucas Foratata quilt. I was a bit sceptical at first, but it’s now my favourite sleeping bag/quilt. It’s a bit more roomy than my other sleeping bags, especially at the knees. I’m a restless sleeper and the extra room helps me turn inside the quilt, keeping the snap fasteners under me. I added two extra fasteners to make five in all. I found with only three fasteners, occasionally I got a draught. Now I don’t. I recommended to Marco that me makes this an option.

    It’s also longer. As a side sleeper, sleeping bag hoods don’t really work for me. With a quilt, I can pull the excess over my head, which makes it really warm. I’ve become a bit of a cold sleeper. My quilt has 250g of down and weighs 510g overall. The down is superb quality and I’m warm down to about 3c.

    The Schoeller fabric is the best sleeping bag fabric I’ve come across. Lovely and silky to the touch and no down leakage. I believe the production Foratatas will be slightly different/improved but Marco will have to give you the details. The workmanship is impeccable. It wasn’t cheap but it was well worth it. I used it on this year’s TGO Challenge and it was fab. Hope that helps.
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  5. Dave5791

    Dave5791 Trail Blazer

    Are you only looking at down quilts? If not and synthetic is an option, I can vouch for GramXpert who are based in Slovenia. Kajo, one of the co-owners posts on here fairly regularly - I think under 'Kamov' -a decent and very helpful bloke. I purchased an e-lite 133 Xwide and long from them when they launched in the summer and it is excellent. They now offer apex 267 which is rated down to -6c. The weight penalty being acceptable by not having to fret about your down staying sufficiently dry?

    Paired up with your downmat it could amount to a useful system?
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2017
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  6. Jamess

    Jamess Ultralighter

    For UK 3 season multi day use I'd go for synthetic quilt rather than down. My apex 200 As Tucas quilt is fine down to a few degrees below freezing with a baselayer, and more with a down jacket but I'm a warm sleeper. Others would rate apex 200 down to around freezing.
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  7. Arne L.

    Arne L. Section Hiker

    I think I'm an average sleeper and I've taken my As Tucas Apex 167 blanket down to freezing with baselayers & down jacket.

    I suppose my new GramXpert Apex 200 will be comfortable around freezing with just a baselayer; it also has a sewn footbox which should be warmer.
  8. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I like the idea of a hybrid quilt with an Apex footbox, down main section and Apex for the top 8" or so, is anyone doing that yet?
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  9. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Ultralighter

    I hadn't really looked at synthetic quilts as I've always had down and never had a problem with keeping it dry, or at least mostly dry. I like the loft and comfort of down along with the light weight and small pack size, though I've not tried any of the more modern synthetics. I tend to be a side sleeper to which is why I've started looking at quilts, they just seem a good idea, as long as you don't end up with draughts.

    I guess my biggest concern going to a quilt has been that I like the comfort of sleeping 'on' a sleeping bag, but that might just require either sleeping in thermals or making a sheet for the pad. I have an old silk liner that might be turned into something suitable while staying light.
  10. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Ultralighter

    Robin, do you find sleeping on the snaps that hold the quilt together uncomfortable?
  11. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    I thought I would but I don’t notice them. I use Thermarest XLites (small and regular). I thought getting in and out might be awkward but it’s simple. Doing up and undoing the fasteners is pretty straightforward too. Overall I prefer sleeping in a quilt now, although in winter I do like my Western Mountaineering Ultralite sleeping bag.
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  12. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Ultralighter

    Thanks, that's good to know. In the winter, I'll keep the rab 750 going as it's never let me down but a quilt for the other 3 seasons sounds like the way to go. Now to see what the Foratata quilt will cost when it's released :)
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  13. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Ultralighter

    Ok, had an email from Marco regarding availability and costs so now I've narrowed my choice down to a Foratata with 350g of fill of 900 down or a Cumulus quilt with 350g fill of 850 down. The cumulus is significantly cheaper but, if it lasts anything like my Rab bag, any quality quilt I buy will probably outlive me at this rate so price isn't the defining option given you can amortise it over many years.

    Would anyone have any opinions on the two quilt offerings? There's supporters here for As Tucas but I've not read much about Cumulus.
  14. Robin

    Robin Thru Hiker

    I have a Cumulus Quantum 350 sleeping bag (which I should probably sell!), good quality but only just long enough for me (5’9”). Looking at the pictures on the Cumulus website, it doesn’t look as roomy as the Foratata and doesn’t extend over your head. There’s also a larger gap underneath you. I’m sure it’s well made and looks good value, so not an easy decision. I can only say that I’ve never regretted getting the Foratata. Maybe someone else has got a Cumulus quilt and can comment.
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2017
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  15. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Ultralighter

    Thanks Robin, that's really useful.
  16. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I've got the 150 for summer use. Just tried it and at 5'10.5 it will go over my head. Not sure what else to say about it, it's big enough, good weight, well made, high quality down and good value. Recommended. Not come across an As tucas so can't comment on a comparison.
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  17. Balagan

    Balagan Section Hiker

    I have a Cumulus 350 quilt : it is a very good quality product and a toasty quilt. The one drawback I find is that it is draft-prone if you are a side sleeper or turn in your sleep. That's because it is just a little too narrow around the hips. Now to qualify this, 1. I've never used it with pad straps which I intend to try next time and 2. this is only a problem for the short while before I fall asleep and settle down for the night.

    If I was to buy from Cumulus again (which I might), I'd have a serious look at the L430 Comforter as this is 140 cm wide (and 227 cm long). With a tapered and sewn footbox which I'm sure Cumulus will do on request, it would be close to perfect.
  18. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    250g shell isn't bad, 680g with 430g of down seems good for a straight cut. Non sown footbox does give you flexibility, looks like it'd make a nice booster quilt for two. Don't know how they've sown the channel though, I do mine a good inch from the end and on the outer of the quilt so that there isn't a hole for drafts.
  19. SafetyThird

    SafetyThird Ultralighter

    Thanks for all the advice. I've just pushed the button on a 350g Foratata quilt :) Should be here in 2-3 weeks.
  20. FOX160

    FOX160 Section Hiker

    EE enlightenment allows you the option of adding 20denier fabric to the top and bottom or the whole outer shell
    if to use in damp environments or if your a cold sleeper.
    Ideally ask them for a mix fill option.
  21. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    I might gut my first apex quilt and make it with 0.7 robic shell and with a sewn in footboard. No need for a bivvy if using a tarp then.
  22. FOX160

    FOX160 Section Hiker

    Tried my EE Revelation the Mrs bought me yesterday and there’s no
    return, together with my Klymit insulate lite I was toast.
    I can link Two mats together using the supplied straps and to secure/hold
    the quilt fully open and use has a double quilt like at home for Summer use for 2 people.
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2017

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