Carnivore Diet and THRU-HIKING

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Beth

Backpacker
Hi Chiseller, I don't know any carnivore through-hikers, but then I wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few. Stateside is probably easier than here due to more fast food places used to people just ordering the patties, no bun/etc. Pemmican is undoubtedly the staple in the wilds. You could also buy cooked and freeze dried ground beef to rehydrate and add your own fats. For day walks, and the odd overnighter I just take fatty jerky - http://www.empiri.ca/2016/03/ribeye-jerky.html saves having to take a stove.

For the avoidance of doubt I'm carnivore too, have been 4.5years now. It's been the best thing I've done bar none - it's fixed my Crohn's and given me some resemblance to a Life again.
 

Enzo

Thru Hiker
Seems to help lots of people with autoimmune disorders from what I've seen. My vegan friends just:jawdrop: :biggrin:
 

OwenM

Thru Hiker
@Beth I don't get it, how do avoid scurvy?

The Inuit eat raw seal blubber, which contains vitimin C, cooking destroys the vitimin C.

Sailors of old drank lemon or lime juice, hence limies.

Scott of the Antarctic left the limon juice powder behind and they all went down with scurvy.

If you only eat meat surely you risk getting scurvy?
 

Beth

Backpacker
Sigh. Obviously I'm either lying about what I eat or dead, eh.

Vitamin C is only required in any amount if you are consuming carbohydrates. The more carbs you eat, live off hardtack biscuits anyone, the more vitamin C you require. Glucose competes with or inhibits absorption and transportation of vitC. Carbohydrates are turned into glucose starting the second they enter your mouth. Meat, on the other hand has very little carbohydrate, so you need very little vitC. Surprisingly meat has it's own little supply of ascorbates, L-ascorbic and dehydroascobate IIRC. So no scurvy.

That's the one and only justification of my diet I'm doing. You (generic reader rather than anyone particular) do your own research. I'll give you a hint, there are no essential carbohydrates, fruit, or vegetables required for human life.
 

Gadget

Thru Hiker
Got any ideas how ya gonna sustain this with a population of ten billion by 2050?
Perhaps there's a future in cannibalism after all... certainly be an u/l option on the AT! (and deal with trail overcrowding at the same time)
 

dovidola

Thru Hiker
The exciting thing about popular nutrition theory is that if you miss one, there'll always be another coming soon, every bit as barmy as the one before.

It preys on the vulnerable, sells many books, promotes cod pseudo-science, makes charlatans millionaires, and can be a source of a certain amusement to those of us who find food faddism somewhat hilarious...

The only bit I genuinely don't like is the mockery it makes of the world's starving people.
 

Beth

Backpacker
> Got any ideas how ya gonna sustain this with a population of ten billion by 2050?

Not my problem to solve. But if you are actually interested you probably already know you can do it with restorative grasslands.

> The exciting thing about popular nutrition theory is that if you miss one, there'll always be another coming soon, every bit as barmy as the one before.

A fad. Maybe, these things come and go. But a fad as old as the human species existed is a good site better than the healthy eating guidelines of 1980's don't you think. That really is a fad that's killed and blighted millions of people due to diabetes/obesity/CVD/cancer/malnutrition illnesses. Look up Ancel Keys for the aetiology of the current cluster-$%^& of a fad, then look up the likes of John Yudkin and Joseph Kraft as a starting point.

> Interesting how many crave carbs, but we don’t need them.

Indeed. It's addled their brains.
 

Mole

Thru Hiker
Restorative grasslands is a thing.
A good thing. For the soil and for animals farmed that way(compared to feedlots).

But you aren't ever going to feed the billions a total meat diet that way. The numbers are a magnitude apart.

Decent meat is a luxury for anyone who isn't fairly close to the point of production.


Of interest I googled meat only diet, and found this

https://swizec.com/blog/week-17-what-happens-when-you-only-eat-meat-for-a-year/swizec/6534

Which surprised me, but seems to indicate it's also doable for some.

I would personally prefer a low/zero carb diet rather than the extreme of all meat based.
But thunk I would miss spuds too much. (And the sourdough bread which is a staple in our life)
 
No, not your problem... everyone's problem.

That sounds rather optimistic, but I'm guessing @Fair Weather Camper might be able to chime in on that.

But this is a start, I guess,
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-world-the-latest-implausible-farming-miracle

Yes well managed grassland can sequester carbon, so long as its kept under permenant pasture.
So for most of us - a limited amount of quality meat and dairy from these extensive systems are OK on a environmental / ethical front-yes animals will have to die for this - spoiler alert - animals do die anyway - our job - as concision humans is to see they have a humane life and death .
"Cheap feed-lot or factory farmed meat is an environmental, and health disaster, on all fronts from the intensive soil destroying arable used to grow the grain / soya, to the cc emissions, effluent, animal welfare, and the low quality meat that comes out at the other end.. These animals are usually fed antibiotics to offset the effects of being kept in cramped unnatural conditions - I challenge you to go to an intensive pig farm, and then happily eat a cheap bacon sarnie ever again.

I know most people would rather not know..
I do know I've been to those places..


Beth is using her diet to manage a chronic health problem - personal to her - if i have to go without some meat so as she can be well -thats fine by me.

Yes its all our problems.

Cheap (and addictive carbs) are usually cheap because they are grown using hydrocarbons i.e. diesel for tractors, and shipping, oil to make fertilisers and pesticides. Cheap, refined overprocessed carbs store and sell well, they make the manufacturers a good return.

Food poverty has many causes too - even in this country - but i'm not going tp write an essay about that here there are plenty - some self penned - elsewhere.

Sturdy Guys call :biggrin:
 
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Enzo

Thru Hiker
I make the starter, my Mrs makes the bread. She's keto so its all mine :). Personally I think more variety is more fun than less so not for me. Its the clean eating lot that I think are maladaptive. turns out most of the instigram stars have been diagnosed with eating disorders.
 

dovidola

Thru Hiker
I make the starter, my Mrs makes the bread. She's keto so its all mine :). Personally I think more variety is more fun than less so not for me. Its the clean eating lot that I think are maladaptive. turns out most of the instigram stars have been diagnosed with eating disorders.

Most of that terminology is lost on me...
Anyway, is it very difficult to make, and have you a recommended learning source?
 

Enzo

Thru Hiker
My Mrs used the river cottage book on bread. I grew up on it. Very easy to do just needs a longer time to prove and the starter needs feeding regularly.
 
Most of that terminology is lost on me...
Anyway, is it very difficult to make, and have you a recommended learning source?

There's definitely a market for some kind of online system..

Or even an old fashioned paper based - type thingy - a book even?

Whereby, you input a word - and then that system explains it to you, using simpler words.

I reckon it would it would be a winner :)

Making sourdough isn't difficult - once you get into the routine - just a bit of a tie, but not overly time consuming.

The results are worth it though.. You can get twice as much butter on a slice of toasted sourdough :biggrin::biggrin::whistling:
 

Clare

Thru Hiker
I used to make it but the requirement to keep the starter happy and fed meant I was making it all the time and eating far too much of it, plus the butter pooling into the great airation holes that @Fair Weather Camper refers to meant i eventually stopped. It’s good fun to do though @dovidola, have a go. Like @Enzo i used the river cottage baking book.

This bread discussion shouldn’t be in the carnivore thread.
 

Taz38

Thru Hiker
I recently decided to eat less meat, specifically factory farmed pork and chicken. Purely because the animal 'welfare' is diabolical, also pork is probably not the healthiest meat.
I couldn't live on meat alone, some carbs, veg and fruit need to be added.
I think (I have not studied this) that the reason many on a carnivore diet feel great is because they've cut out the real baddies of food (refined sugar etc).
 

Enzo

Thru Hiker
I think its def worth avoiding any meat from factory farms. But the life of a free range chicken or lamb is objectively better than their wild relatives.
 
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