I use a Cascade Wild table...Does the same job as a canister stand, but it's big enough to put all your other cooking gear on too, keeping them out of the dirt.I use the jetboil equivalent of this: https://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/p/primus-cartridge-footrest-D3254003.html?colour=180
Almost impossible to tip over and much easier to find a stable spot to the use the stove because it’s a tripod.
My BRS is almost useless outdoors without a windsheild, let alone efficient. Yours must be very special.Your 200ml container when full of alcohol will weigh 170g. The 100g gas canister weighs 200g when full. But then you have to add the weight of all the essential accessories you need to use an alcohol stove safely and efficiently outdoors, that are unnecessary with the BRS, such as some sort of heat shield to put under the stove, a pot stand to hold the pot over it, a windshield etc, and more often that not, the alcohol stove setup becomes heavier than a BRS and a 100g gas canister. Also, the 100g gas canister will last longer.
I was a Scout actually, and no, I never saw a canister top gas stove tipped over back then...Just because we were younger did not mean we were less careful.You should have joined the scouts as a kid for an opportunity to see the effects of a gas stove tipping over... It bears little resemblance to the rosy scenario you describe. If you want to safely experience the effect, use a remote-feed stove and hold the canister at right angle without letting the pre-heat tube warm up. All mishandled stoves are dangerous.
As are misguided opinions about stove safety, sleeping bag ratings and rain wear.
But minus the cooking pot, does your stove and stand/windsheild weigh less than a BRS3000T? I recently saw an alcohol stove users lighterpack list and his stove set up weighed a total of 54g...28g heavier than the BRS, or more than double the weight!My entire alcohol setup including the cooking pot, stove and stand/windsheild weighs less than your empty gas container.
Yes. 3g less.But minus the cooking pot, does your stove and stand/windsheild weigh less than a BRS3000T? I recently saw an alcohol stove users lighterpack list and his stove set up weighed a total of 54g...28g heavier than the BRS, or more than double the weight!
yes, this 100%Can we all just agree that the brs never flares up if accidentally toppled over, is inherently safer from toppling over than a lower height alcohol stove or any stove of lower height, wind nor cold temp ever has any adverse effects on its performance, it is in fact a fantastic magical stove with miraculous properties, and move on.
Am as guilty as anyone else at this stage. It's like a certain pot is great and nothing beats it till another pot is got and all of a sudden that pot is better.
(other than the BRS 3000 is p̶*̶s̶h̶ an outstanding piece of kit, which most folk had figured out anyway)
Yes, I don't carry a dedicated windshield with me anymore. If I stop for a tea break I just tip my rucksack on it's side to block some of the wind, put the canister on the Cascade Wild and use my sit pad to block the rest of the wind.Yes. 3g less.
Are you really still claiming you don't need a windsheild for your BRS setup?
You wouldn't need to sit on your sit pad if you happened to carry a very light chair.Looks fine for dry sunny days. I like to be able to sit on my sit pad when the ground's wet though. Still it's good your sit mat has dual purposes. My windsheild gets dual use as the pot support and weighs 15g.
Can it please be Anstruther.yes, this 100%
i have amended my previous post on the subject, apologies to all, it was a failed attempt to mislead and appear clever.
in the spirit of reconciliation, i vote anyone mentioning boil times, flame height, water viscosity etc are sent to live in fife
As Balagan said...Take an U/L chair with you and you can use your sit pad for something else. I sit on my Chair Zero while I'm boiling the water.Looks fine for dry sunny days. I like to be able to sit on my sit pad when the ground's wet though. Still it's good your sit mat has dual purposes. My windsheild gets dual use as the pot support and weighs 15g.
My sit pad has lots of uses...So what's the sit pad for?
Toaks 550 and cone with a suitably sized* mug from a reused PP container (an ice cream tub on our trips this summer) works well when contained in a Treadlightgear Toaks 700 (or is it 750?) stuff sack. It packs neatly and feels robust.The Toaks 550 is a nicer package in a way, but the cone has to be a part height one to pack in pot, (or split cone for full coverage, which seems OTT for such a small pot).
Last night I got around to measuring that MSR steel pot: 700ml. It's always been just about big enough for me. A bit small for something like pasta but I rarely take pasta (eat enough of it at home anyway!). And the 1 litre pot is larger than I've ever needed. So I'd say my ideal would be something like 800ml to 900ml. Your needs will vary, but this is useful for me to know (see criticism of Alipot lid!).Anywayz, I've been using a 1-litre "Alipot" from Alpkit's sale. It came as a set with a 1.7 litre pot, which I've found to be much bigger than I need. I'm also not too happy with the lid – it's fairly loose, so comes off when not in use unless in some sort of bag (Alpkit supply it with a mesh bag for this purpose) and because it fits round the outside of the pot, condensation drips out while in use. [Ed: I think maybe the idea is that you can use the lid as a frying pan. But I never do.)
Before that, I was using a smaller pot with a great lid, I think it's made by MSR, but it's steel so is heavy. The other advantage of the larger pot is things (mug, tea bags, stove, sometimes food) can fit inside it.
In terms of boiling once or twice, I tend to boil for each use. So boil a mugful for tea, then however much needed for food. The only exception is if I'm boiling eggs, I'll use the water they were boiled in to make tea. This means my tea contains extra calcium, which is good for bones and teeth (yeah, great justification!).
A 100g gas canister fits in the Toaks Light 650ml and you can fit a lighter and a trusty BRS3000tin as well. The Alpkit 900ml fits a 230g canister but there's not much room for anything else.Smaller tends to be lighter but is not always less packed volume, if you can't then get other things (mug, gas cartridge, whatever) inside. But that's going to vary so much with the shape and size of what you personally have that you can't make a rule of it.
How did you get the handle covers on? Or maybe it came with them when you bought it (they're not visible in the photos on the website now).My Alpkit 900ml Mytipot has always felt like a bit of overkill. It is 139g with silicone tube handle covers. I usually only bring water to the boil for tea and rehydration and almost always 600ml.
I've just bought a Toaks 650 light which may result in me reducing the volume boiled slightly or doing a 300ml boil and refill. It is 89g similarly equipped with silicone tube handle covers.