Australian Hiker Podcast Episode 025 Which hiking Stove?

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  1. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    its just heating water to me too. I use all forms of fuel depending on conditions and what side of bed i get out of. but fact is meths is generally lighter on shorter trips if you trust yourself to carry just what you need. Weight is pretty much unimportant to me. My kit is light enough that a jetboil instead of a cone doesnt make a deal of difference in the scheme of things. I pay a bit more attention to weight on longer trips but not much in it between gas and meths
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  2. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    There's me...for starters. See, the thing is I'd weigh them because if you let a few grams through the gate all hell will break loose. Just shows you can't stop a proper nerd from establishing some quantitative rigour.
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  3. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Mate,
    I've seen the faces of those shepherds in your pics, they're thinking "weird" only in Turkish :p :D :D :D

    Plus,
    Hellloooo Brit living in Turkey with a (admittedly stunningly beautiful) Polish wife, you should have at least married into the local gene pool like us more normal weirdo's :D:D:D:D:D:D

    But then i've spent the last few hours sorting through my radio controlled cars (or toys as the Mrs calls em) so who am i to say :bag:
    Last edited: May 17, 2017 at 7:34 PM
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  4. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    :tongue::tongue::tongue:
    but you were specifically saying that you bet there would be alcohol being left over and that makes comparisons useless. Whilst I (and apparently everyone else)would say that alcohol users are less likely to have fuel left over than gas users - so actually the opposite of users experience.

    I find your response quite childish :tongue:- you made a statement others (apart from me maybe) neutrally disagreed with, which doesn't reflect their experience, and rather than just write 'ok I accept that' or keep stum, you mock and refer to 'stove nerds'. It's clear that you don't have much real experience(in comparison to the other posters) of using this gear, but you still feel make plenty of noise about it. Strange.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

    "Folks are taking the worst case scenario for one type of stove and comparing it to the best case scenario for another." where is anyone doing that? I compared the lightest possible gas burner set. with a commonly used ul meths setup.
  5. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Don't mind me Graham, i'm going through my Meh111!!!!!!!! phase with hiking

    Spent a fortune to buy lightweight kit, but then realised i'm still fat and unfit so it was all pretty pointless :(
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  6. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Good points well made :thumbsup:

    As i say it's just in real world use i've never seen anyone return from a trip having used exactly every last drop of fuel, be that gas or alcohol.
    So for me it puts a doubt over any comparisons or weights.

    Come on Mole, i know that i've got some "weird" interests, i know i take a fair bit of ribbing from my mates because of them.
    Has it gotten to the point where we can't have a bit of fun between us all on here?

    I value your opinion and those of everyone else in this thread, for me personally (i can only state my own opinion after all) i think gas and alcohol stoves are that close weight wise and more importantly THAT different use wise, that weight and efficiency doesn't come into the decision making process.
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  7. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    Meths is lighter on short trips. Good excuse for one of these :D

    [​IMG]
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  8. cathyjc

    cathyjc Thru Hiker

    A leaking gas canister (Bluet) in the tent put me off using gas for years - and I'm still a sceptic about gas now even with better canisters available. Only use it in bothies where wind doesn't reduce it's effectiveness.
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  9. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I used to bring back alcohol.... principally as I am lazy and won't rely on 'tests' performed in ideal conditions to calculate fuel use....
    And as I am lazy..
    Esbit made life easy.
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  10. JKM

    JKM Section Hiker

    Gas is like having gas fired central heating, quick, efficient, makes funny noises.

    Meths is like an open fire, smelly but charming and a bit more work.

    Each has their place.

    Personally I am a meths convert (unless I want to do real cooking) but I do tend to bring fuel back with me and it is never as efficient as I hope it will be, but I do like that little blue flickering flame.

    I probably use 25ml a go boiling c800ml in a cone setup.
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  11. JKM

    JKM Section Hiker

    Also with meths you can have a 'pet fire' to entertain you throughout the evening.





    My friend was captivated with keeping his 50p sized fire of dry rabbit droppings and meths alight for as long as he could.

    [​IMG]

    Disclaimer: No rabbits were harmed in the making of this fire and no trace was left.
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  12. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    :hilarious:

    ...if I can find enough dried rabbit dung to burn instead.
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  13. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    You suffering a paucity of sh*t is hard to swallow...
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  14. Enzo

    Enzo Ultralighter

    Horses for courses, but of course if you accept 150g extra on your cook kit, then perhaps your shelter, mat, pack,bag....
    Next thing your kilo's up.

    What i like about alc setups is that its often cheaper to buy a meths setup and they're lighter, how often does that happen?!

    Its an easy way to loose~200g where as to loose that from shelter weight, or sleeping bags could cost hundreds.
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  15. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    The word "accept" might have been better than "swallow" but I trust your judgement on this one :biggrin:
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  16. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    ... just nod them in
  17. Graham

    Graham Thru Hiker

    Right about now Tim will be pushing aside his muesli in disgust.
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  18. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Steak and eggs Shirley...
    Not that one would reinforce national stereotypes....
  19. gixer

    gixer Thru Hiker

    Agreed in principal.

    In practice though there is not a person here that doesn't swing that balance towards comfort in some way
    Be that a warmer quilt/bag, double wall tent, thicker sleeping mat, bit of a drink, cameras etc etc

    Just checked my cook kit

    17 Long Ti Spoon
    200 178ml Gas canister
    88 Toaks lite 650ml (with lid and bag)
    19 Windscreen
    28 Jetboil feet
    25 BRS-3000T stove
    377 Total grams


    What was Mole's and Williams kit just under 100g?

    So my kit is a fair bit more than 150g heavier, probably more towards 250g
    I've got "16 boils" written next to my 178ml gas canister cell (excel) so that'll be easily 5 days for me

    I could lose the feet, lid and bag to save more weight, but i'm happily with my pack weight so am willing to lug them about.

    I'm around 9kg with 3 days food and 1 litre of water
    Find i can lug that around 12km without too much in the way of aches and pains, if needed i can get to 20km but then i'm knackered the following day.

    My day pack is around 6kg and i find i'm about as aching and knackered at the same distance, so i've come to the conclusion that my body accepts 9kg extra weight without too many problems

    For me the key is fitness and losing body fat rather than losing weight in my rucksack

    Started the year well with that, but pretty much anything that can happen to prevent it, has happened :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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  20. Enzo

    Enzo Ultralighter

    In practice though there is not a person here that doesn't swing that balance towards comfort in some way

    Couldn't agree more

    By the sounds of it your setup works for the way you use it, i try and walk ~ 3 x further a day so weight is perhaps more critical for me.
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  21. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    I've always been on the fence, my alcohol setup (recently revamped as I didn't use some bits) is
    Stove in silnylon sleeve 9g
    LH spoon 12g
    Windscreen 25g (may cut it down at some point)
    Batchstoves 10cm pot 65g
    Foil lid 2g
    Sil stuffsack 6g
    500ml bottle 12g

    Total 131g

    With a gas setup I'd have my brs3000t or whatever its called at 26g
    Spoon 12g
    Pot and lid 67g
    100g canister 94g (empty)
    Sil sack 6g
    Total 205g

    I use max 30ml alcohol per boil so I could go out with 3 boils, I cook at night and sometimes in the morning if it's cold so in the summer that's 3 days for the same weight as an empty gas setup and not have to cook in my tent to avoid wind. With a more efficient stove it would be even longer. On the other hand if I'm with someone and they are using gas then I get jealous of their fast boils so I take gas. I've yet to try esbit.
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  22. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    I like that way of presenting it. Empty cart comparison shows the difference well.
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  23. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    It's surely the only fair way to compare?

    My main problem with gas is always having to take a lot more fuel than needed between resupply (or not enough) and not knowing how much fuel is in a can.

    As you said earlier in the thread @paul, a small contained fire is the best in terms of weight (and of course ambience) but also a pita after a 20+ mile day when I just want to quickly cook then sit around doing nothing. I think it's about 3 years since I last used my tato element stove.
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  24. Enzo

    Enzo Ultralighter

    Do you not use a windscreen with the gas setup?
    Cant remember what brand it was but last 100g gas cart was 230g full, handy feature was graduated scale on the side so if you floated it in water you could see how much was left.
  25. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    Na, I only use it occasionally so either find somewhere sheltered or inside the tent. I always have too much fuel with gas anyway (no coffee or tea for me) so decreased efficiency doesn't bother me.

    That does seem a good feature. Wonder why they don't all do that?

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