Discussion in 'Packs & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Feb 1, 2018.
I've known that for years.
So I may have just pulled the trigger on a Mo 60…
I love my Prospector 50 but it isn't quite big enough for longer, more serious trips in places like Scotland and Norway. I think a Mo 60 will be a great addition to my pack quiver.
Mine is between 40 & 45 litres. I work on the basis that if an item it won't go in the pack, it stays at home! Mind you I could do with an extended long roll-top for those times when I need to take more food.
I don't think I ever updated this thread with pictures of my Carbon Prospector 50 in use. It was the perfect pack for my Mercantour Traverse last year – beautifully comfortable and exactly the right capacity.
The only issue was that the foam used in the shoulder straps collapsed after a few days of hiking. This was not really an issue with the weight I was carrying, and to be fair Tom had previously warned me that he'd found out a bad batch of foam had been used in some of his packs and he didn't know which packs had been affected.
I sent the pack back to him for repair and he went above and beyond the call of duty. Rather than just replacing the shoulder straps, he actually built me an entirely new pack to the same specification, but with a new upgraded carbon frame.
I remain very impressed with Atom Packs and I'm really glad Tom has been able to successfully scale his business. Can't wait to receive my Mo 60!
The Roo I ordered to match my lovely Atom 40 arrived. Very well made again.
About Xpac and waterproofness... I have VX21 on my KS50 and it's not waterproof but it's somewhat water resistant. These pictures are taken this evening, 1 hours hike in moderate rain.
You can see pooling on the fabric and in the second picture you can see the darker wet (to the touch) side on the left hand side of the black seam and dry(er) fabric on the right. One day of heavy rain in Scotland I got a really nice pool of water at the bottom of the pack Trash compactor bag liner is a must.
How old is that pack and how much has it been used ?
That would be a year in January and it has crossed Scotland and a hand full of weekend trips and now 27 days in a row. So not that much in terms of a backpack.
Did it start out letting water in or has that 'come on' over time ?
Pretty much from the get go. I was aware of this upon ordering as Laurent from KS ultralight was very honest about is when I asked how VX compared to DCF, that I've had on my Zpacks pack.
Umm, X-pac is supposed to waterproof to 140psi iirc. I've never had the material itself leak but the seams definitely do. @andreostergard, if your actual material is leaking then I reckon it must be from a faulty batch?
Excuse my ignorance here, but define material? Is the X-pattern part of the seams that are not seam-sealed? If so, would any of these packs be waterproof as everyone got them.
Faulty batch, don't have two of the same pack so I can't compare so not too much help there. These observations are just based of what I've got and my experience, not waterproof. DCF is. Delivery and built around 2018-01.
The x-pac material, basically the whole pack. The material itself is fully waterproof, the seams are unsealed so not waterproof, therefore the pack isn't.
As Dave said above, the material should keep out showers but in prolonged rain or heavy showers, the seams will let water in and it tends to run down the seams and pool in the bottom of the pack.
DCF is the same, waterproof but sewn and untapped seams aren't waterproof. Of course DCF is relatively straightforward to tape so quite a few companies do so. X-Pac X series has no fabric liner (just the mebrane) so can be taped with DCF tape to be fully waterproof.
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