Alam-Pedja Nature Reserve, Estonia

Discussion in 'Trips Reports' started by Piiber Teravhammas, Nov 23, 2018.

  1. Piiber Teravhammas

    Piiber Teravhammas Summit Camper

    Intro
    We visited the Alam-Pedja Nature Reserve for the first time in 2015 november. This time we came back and stayed longer. We wanted to put ourselves to the test in cold and dark November, both gear and mind. It was unsupported trip.
    More information about the reserve; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alam-Pedja_Nature_Reserve

    1. day 8,20 km
    Arrived at 13.00
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    Happy!
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    The trail was in really poor condition but they are renovating it, luckily it was only 1,5 km long.
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    View from the watchtower
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    We were suprised by the rainbow
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    Off the trail, there is a old farmstead. One guy bought it, demolished the old ruins and built and new log cabin. It has sauna and is free to use for anybody crazy enough to walk there.
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    The fun began
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    We reached a bog island, a narrow one. Like an oasis in desert.
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    "Last sunset" For the next days, the sky was pretty much overcast, that one could not tell where the sun was.
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    Moon and Khafra

    Day 1 was the only day with the Sun, we got our feet wet, we had the best camping site.

    2. day 11 km
    There was some light snow during the night, we had to cross the bog, this was type 2 fun for me.
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    Some snow remains in the morning
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    Just enough room to fit my tent.
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    Everything is still nice
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    Despair?
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    A cranberry

    Day 2 was just a introduction to wet feet. My friend was suprised how difficult it was to walk in bog, I think walking sticks made life easier to me.

    3. day 19,5 km
    The only day when we managed to dry our feet
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    National Defence League had set up a camp in the woods
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    Pedja river
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    Watchtower
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    Abandoned tower used to observe plane bombings
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    The road to nowhere. It is marked on a map as a driveable road but in reality it was not.

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    Hell

    Third day was the longest but also less demanding. Mostly walking on small roads, very little offroad.

    4. day 8,9 km

    Fourth day was probably the hardest, walking in water for the whole day.
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    Again some snow during the night
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    We had set our camp at abandoned farmstead
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    Measuring how deep the ditch was. More than a meter..
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    Makeshift bridge
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    You have to keep moving to keep warm
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    Crossing the ditch
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    Finally at the destination! Back at Pedja river
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    Friend is testing how long bottle cap full of 80% vodka burns. It was 10 minutes I think.

    5. day 12,3 km
    Fifth day was quite easy besides that the first 4 kilometers were wet ones.
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    River Emajõgi (Mother river)
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    Another abandoned farmstead

    6. day 4,3 km
    Just walking back to car
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    Last campsite
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    This used to be a driveable road..
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    Our circle is now perfect, I could have kept going :)

    Conclusion
    It was easier than I was looking for. We were lucky that there was almost no rain. We had long nights at the campfire and we managed to keep topics fresh.

    GEAR

    I was in a hurry and wasn't able to finish the gear list and it is quite pointless to do it afterwards. The pack weighted 18.5 kgs at the start and was about 11 when I got back home :eek:. I had too much food with me...
    Just some thoughts on some items:
    Tent
    Locus Gear Khafra with Trekkertent bathtub floor+polycro. I wanted to keep it safe if had to set up the tent in very wet place. I am happy with the Khafra but it takes alot of space and finding a perfect spot is more difficult.
    Backpack
    HMG Southwest 3400. I can say that 18,5 kgs is the limit for the bag. My previous backpack was Exped Thunder 70 and I sometimes miss the panel loader :(
    Clothes
    The noteworthy items are Sealskins socks (used them in the evenings and mornings), Montane Primino 140 tshirt. They did their job well.
    Food and drinks
    I had too much food, I think I gained about 1 kg :cat:
    Whiskey was the best!;)
    Drinking loads of tea (green, ginger, fruit) and wasting a big 450g balloon almost completely.
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2018
  2. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    Thank God for the cranberry :D
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  3. Taz38

    Taz38 Section Hiker

    Makes Wales look dry...almost :D
    Nice to read, thanks :thumbsup:
    Guess my home country (Holland) was like that before the dyked n drained (and paved) it.
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  4. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Great report Piiber

    That’s some seriously soggy country, puts our UK bogs to shame
  5. PhilHo

    PhilHo Ultralighter

    Sometimes I read a walk report on here and feel slightly envious, or start to dream about doing the walk, but the idea of trudging through a freezing bog half way up to my backside all day and then struggle to find somewhere dryish to pitch up, with no hills, hasn't done it for me. Great report though and I was amused by the conclusion "It was easier than I was looking for.".
  6. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

  7. PhilHo

    PhilHo Ultralighter

  8. Piiber Teravhammas

    Piiber Teravhammas Summit Camper

    The problem with the muckboots is that they are okay for a day but not for a longer trip. They don't breathe at all and people who have worn them for extended period say it causes blister etc.
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  9. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    I thought the Muckboots were awful. 1 pair of those, and 2 very similar...they caused blisters and fell apart pretty quickly. The Neoprene delaminates and separates from the bottom rubber part.

    However, I've seen just how good the Nokians can be over long distances when a friend hauled sled in them on an Arctic trip. They aren't breathable, but nor is a pair of sodden leather boots.
    They are best treated as vapour barriers; avoid sweating into them and the sweat glands in the feet shut down.

    I walk in wellies a lot, it's clay soil and thick mud where I live. The have their place when it's really soggy.
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  10. Mole

    Mole Thru Hiker

    Nokian Bogtrotters are fairly comfortable.

    If both my feet were the same size as my left, I could walk all day in them. But my right foot is 1/2 a size smaller, and after 5 miles or so starts getting some forefoot pain. Need to play around with insoles but no lacing makes adjustment tricky.

    @Fair Weather Camper happily walks all day in her Nokians. Day after day.
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  11. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    He speaks the truth :rolleyes: :geek:.

    I'd say they are very comfortable

    One of my feet is half a size larger than the other, I use cushnstep insoles in them.. And sometimes three pairs of socks for insulation.

    I can happily do 15 miles a day in them, over rough ground.. Even though I do stop, quite alot for general mucking about (including playing in puddles and flying a kite - so childish I know :angelic:)

    They are pretty hard wearing, but I kill mine sooner than I should, by wearing them for work a lot too.. Squatting in them makes the ankles crease more than they are designed for, and the rubber cracks eventually.

    There's a pretty big 'breathability aperture' in the top mind :geek:
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  12. PhilHo

    PhilHo Ultralighter

    I don't have a problem with Muck Boots, except my new ones are a bit tight around the calf. Mind you I only have them on for half an hour maybe 3 times a day. I've been wearing them for about 10 years now and wouldn't go back to wellies that are not neoprene. I've not tried to walk all day in them ... yet.
  13. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    The muck boot type things I've had, have been very comfortable, and better insulation in very cold weather, for all day working or walking, than plain rubber boots such as the Nokkians.

    Not massively durable.. About six months worth of farm work perhaps... And not esp, cheap.

    Muck boots are that much heavier though, and the ones that have cleats enough to grip on mud (as opposed to the smoother soled versions designed for horse riding) do seem to attract and retain more muck than the Nokkians.

    (maybe the clue is in the name?)

    I have done all day walks in muck boots - it's fine (for me)

    For multiday trips, however, especially where sometimes, out of necessity, boots are carried, and other footwear is worn, I'd definitely favour plain rubber Nokkians

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BhOCrDZDvsP/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=uoyla1xvrdk5
    With sexy socks of course :inlove:

    HYOH

    And so forth... :)
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2018
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  14. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

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  15. qy_

    qy_ Hiker

    Thanks, interesting to se something from Estonia!
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  16. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Seen them, but don't imagine they're all that durable - Crocs used to (maybe still do?) make wellies similar - good for standing on frozen ground - harvesting sprouts* -and suchlike - but i wouldn't trust them to stay waterproof on longer trips ... :geek:

    (*Oh joy un-abounded :inpain:)

    Should all this be lifted to a 'Rubber-booties' thread before someones Bog-trotting trip report gets hi-jacked ???

    It does look like some parts of Wales :cool:
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  17. Clare

    Clare Section Hiker

    Yes. Let’s have a rubber booties thread. :inlove:
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  18. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    But should the 'rubber wear' demarcation line, stop at knee height??

    Or would it be permitted to go a little higher??

    Bearing in mind, that this is a 'family frIendly' site :geek:

    Whither moderation?
    When you need it :rolleyes:
  19. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    There will be no rubber booties thread sorry, not on my watch anyway :)
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  20. Fair Weather Camper

    Fair Weather Camper Thru Hiker

    Whyever not?

    I don't understand.

    I go lightweight(ish) multiday backpacking in them.. As do others.

    I have witnesses, and photographic evidence, to boot..

    See what I did thee??


    I'd call it 'material' discrimination.

    Some have already stated that they are lighter than leather bootees.

    And they're allowed in discussions :angelic:


    Can we have some consistency please ?
    Or a poll about it - at least ? :geek:
    .

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  21. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Estonia looks like good hammocking country
  22. Piiber Teravhammas

    Piiber Teravhammas Summit Camper

    I think of all the trekking subgenres, the hammoc scene is the most alive.
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  23. Teepee

    Teepee Thru Hiker

    [​IMG]
    Aye. :) Hammocking at Oandu with Paul, Jacko (and the flu) in 2012.
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  24. PhilHo

    PhilHo Ultralighter

    I was struck by the first picture above. If all else failed you could do a cookery show.

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