2017 Zpacks Zero

Discussion in 'Packs & Accessories' started by theoctagon, Mar 26, 2017.

  1. MikeinDorset

    MikeinDorset Trail Blazer

    The LL3s look stitched on - no clips. I think you loosen them enough to unroll and open up the top but each side of the top closure is always attached to the lines that run though the LL3s. Then after you close and roll, you tighten the lines again.
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  2. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I have no idea but... permanently attached would mean they wouldn't fall into the dirt when you open the pack. I've never seem it done on a pack before, though. Has anyone?
  3. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    I can't see how that would work Mike, wouldn't the unrolling of the top would just tangle up the now long cords? Threading and un-threading each time can't be right either, I'm intrigued, so have emailed them :)
  4. MikeinDorset

    MikeinDorset Trail Blazer

    I agree, but I wonder whether they think it's OK for the cords to tangle / untangle each time. Look close:
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    The linelocs look permanently stitched on to me, and each end of the cord looks to be attached as well. Threading / unthreading would be a faff.
  5. Dave5791

    Dave5791 Backpacker

    Does one end of the cord attach to the cord system for the pad and the other end pulled to create tension? Maybe loop and mitten hook? Looks like a lot of cord flapping about loose (in the pocket) pivoting through the LL3 when unrolled perhaps?

    At risk of offending the milligram counters, anyone else think that having the white inner cord bare without a proper cord end is a bit much considering the cost of the thing?

    Will be interested to find out when Shewie gets his reply...
  6. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Just noticed it now but the pictures of Joe wearing it seem to show one of the ends hanging down into the mesh pocket, I reckon it's a rethreading job having seen that, dropping the loose end back into the grossgrain loop it passes through

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  7. Ken T.

    Ken T. Ultralighter

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  8. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

    Got a reply back from Will last night, you were right @MikeinDorset ..

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  9. theoctagon

    theoctagon Thru Hiker

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    theoctagon Thru Hiker

  11. fluffkitten

    fluffkitten Thru Hiker

    I do kind of like the Nero. But can it play fiddle? ;)
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  12. Shewie

    Shewie Administrator Staff Member

  13. fluffkitten

    fluffkitten Thru Hiker

    Been wondering when he'd start looking at FKTs and ultra-light. Not surprised he's gone Zpacks as Big Foot has always liked them. :D

    I want one of these (in blue) and a Pa'lante Simple to compare. Need a lottery win.
  14. Enzo

    Enzo Section Hiker

    I've not handled the hybrid cuben, what's the durability like compared to 07xpac or dyneema x grid?
  15. Lady Grey

    Lady Grey Thru Hiker

    Hybrid Cuben won't last that long with constant use, stick with dyneema grid for more durability and longer life.....for your money.
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  16. Enzo

    Enzo Section Hiker

    I had a look on mld's site and it says it's ~100g/m so 30-40% lighter than xpac or x grid.
  17. paul

    paul Thru Hiker

    hybrid is actually very durable but its weakness is if you roll it. Roll tops are generally where is goes but its not normally the cuben that fails, its the laminated taffeta stuck to the front of the base cuben. When not rolled ive found it lasts superbly well. I still think DXG is more durable in the long term though.
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  18. fluffkitten

    fluffkitten Thru Hiker

    Lint has one of these he's testing so a review will appear on his youtube channel soon. He's also got a cuban Pa'lante which he describes "there is a cuben Palante pack in my van RIGHT NOW awaiting testing. This thing is sub 8 oz and beautiful".
  19. Enzo

    Enzo Section Hiker

    I've been looking at the cuben pal'ante, the 7.5oz makes sense as my very similar effort is 8.7 ish but used dxg where they use hybrid and I kept the sternum strap, side compression etc
    As he said the straps end up being a significant weight component, mine were 35g each, I see Tramplite only has foam in the part that bears weight on your shoulders, I was tempted to scavenge from a cuben terra nova pack I have which uses thin perforated foam in the straps. Can't find a source of perforated ccf yet, my montane ultra also uses perforated foam, bigger wider spaced holes mind.
  20. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    @Enzo, time consuming, but it's easy to punch holes in foam. You won't save much weight there though, better using lighter 3d mesh (if you can find it) and thinner webbing (or LL3s) for the adjustments.
  21. Enzo

    Enzo Section Hiker

    I thought about ll3's for the adjusters but think the probably <10g saving wasn't worth the discomfort risk as my pack is pretty narrow. As you say the spacer mesh is the heaviest fabric, my montane uses just single layers of mesh either side of perf foam with grosgrain tying it together down the sides, which is an option. There is an ounce to be saved there. I still have a half meter of 1.47 cuben and was thinking of making a zero type bag, with removable shoulder straps so I could use it as a quilt drybag/food bag etc
  22. craige

    craige Thru Hiker

    The smallest I've gone with LL3s is 30cm back width I'm a pretty broad chap, no discomfort but ymmv. Not using gg edging will save weight too if you use small Sean allowances, light mesh will probably be fine, I was thinking about doing the same on a pack build soon... slightly sweatier but im a disgusting mess anyway lol. 25mm webbing is typically 6g + per foot + ladder lock. 3mm line + 1.2g per LL3 will save a fair whack of weight.
  23. Enzo

    Enzo Section Hiker

    Apologies for drifting the thread I'm going to continue this on my pack thread
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