2 years Carnivore Diet - update on Trekking impact.

Discussion in 'Hydration, Hygiene & Health' started by Chiseller, Jul 14, 2019.

  1. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Hi intensity hiking and hill climbing is doable on carni once your fully adapted... #Stronger&Long and I'm not speculating :whistling:
  2. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    With carni, it's tricky to eat unless your hungry... You eat till your full and then again when your hungry (not peckish)

    Fasting isn't a conscious thing for me. I either need to eat or I don't.
    I can push past the peckish feeling and feel good.

    If I'm doing multiday or pushing hard and I've not eaten in the morning, it usually takes around 8/10 miles before I will eat a few chunks of dried meat (salami/chorizo/Jerky) or a lump of cheese. If I'm not aiming to cover ground in a certain time.. I'll stop and eat till I'm full, then continue.

    Pemmican has its own learning curve... It's knowing your body and how much fat you can ingest in one sitting. Get it wrong and it can be explosive regardless of how adapted you are.
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  3. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Biggest thing you need to take care of when fasting/keto/carni is hydration and electrolytes. Glycogen stored in muscles and liver holds 4x its weight in water and when you go low/zerocarb, you flush out the water (& water weight) and with that also stored electrolytes. If you're sweating a lot or doing an activity, it's vital to supplement with electrolytes. Salt is great, but you also need magnesium and potassium or you'll feel knackered, tired and get cramps easily. I tend to use BCAA mix, as they usually have electrolytes in them, as then you'll get a small amount of amino (proteins) when you drink which is easily bioavailable and helps to reduce muscle wastage on long trails. Select one that has BCAA and EAA, as according to Ben Greenfield, using full spectrum aminos will reduce the risk of 'hitting the wall' on endurance activity due to reduction of hydrogen buildup in muscles, especially with keto adapted athletes.

    Additional benefit of keto adaption / diet, is that you're less susceptible to altitude sickness, which should help in Sierras. This is due to glucose, when breaking down releases 6 carbon, 12 hydrogen (hence the 'hitting the wall' due to hydrogen build up in blood) and 6 oxygen, whereas ketones only (AcAc) has 3 hydrogen, 1 carbon & 1 oxygen. As you see ketones need less oxygen and hold less hydrogen, which improves performance in low oxygen environments such as mountains and under water. This is why US Navy is funding research for using keto diets with divers (less oxygen required) and battlefield (long sustained energy with fewer breaks to feed).
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  4. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    How many long trails have you (edit) used this approach on - and how did your performance differ prior to your adoption of Keto?
    I think I've inadvertently got a similar effect when cycle touring for several weeks at a time...
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  5. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    It's quite normal to drop into ketosis if one is metabolically flexible = healthy and doing intense or endurance sports. That's why one gets the metallic stinky sweat, when doing hard or long workout, sweating out excess acetone.

    Here's a great lecture by Peter Attia about his transformation from sugar burner to fat burner and the effects on his cycling performance. He spent days in controlled experiments to verify the results.

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  6. edh

    edh Thru Hiker

    I was after your first hand (leg, body) account :D
  7. Lempo

    Lempo Thru Hiker

    Well, I don't have much experience in longer trails, and I haven't done long enough bouts to be optimally adapted, so I can't really comment on the endurance side. I know that in gym, working out, the heart rate runs higher as the body needs to work harder to use fat as fuel and peak performance drops until one is properly adapted. I'll tell you my account in a few months time.

    I think @Chiseller can tell you much better about his experiences on the trail.
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  8. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    Some how missed some of the later posts...
    I've done a couple of stints upto 4 days hiking & fast packing mostly strict carnivore (beer or icecream/buttered scon if I want one) with no issues... Recovery time is excellent.
    It's just normal for me now. I know what i need and don't need, plus I've a pretty good idea how far I can go on what fuel.
    The 55mile ultra I ran/walked (only elitists run the entire distance) gave me a really good insight.
    Hiking wise, I feel energised and I'm not afraid to push as hard as quick carb fuelled folk can. Its different and hard to explain.
    On the other hand, I used to feel good on paleo, dates, nuts etc, but the burn was too short.
    I'm happier being steady and strong, with the knowledge I can do some surprisingly hard pushes without a heavy crash.
    There's no reason I couldn't do a week or more hiking in one stint if I had the time.
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  9. syd_away

    syd_away Hiker

    Sorry, old thread I know, and excuse the naive question, but... how do you avoid getting scurvy on this?
  10. Chiseller

    Chiseller Thru Hiker

    No idea :biggrin:
    Do you have to have hair? :biggrin::D:biggrin:

    It's a myth with carnivore... Scurvy was more associated with high protein and low quality protein. My diet is about 65/35 protein to fat.
    Over 2 and half years now. Now diet associated ailments. Full blood work done. All good.
    Equally some vegans thrive and fair play to them... I thrive as a meatarian....
  11. Daymoth

    Daymoth Section Hiker

    Somebody explained it in another of the carnivore threads some time ago, it was quite interesting if you can find it.
  12. Enzo

    Enzo Thru Hiker

    @Lempo your post reminded me of this vid by medlife crisis.
  13. WilliamC

    WilliamC Thru Hiker

    I can't vouch for the accuracy of its information, but this article explains it.
    That said, in searching for it, I saw many articles about James Blunt going on a carnivore diet and getting scurvy.

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