Stoking the wasp nest ALC stoves...

Rog Tallbloke

Thru Hiker
2litres of meths from toolstation = £7.55
Gives you around the same number of brews/meals as:
8 MSR ISOpro gas canisters = £40
32 Hexamine blocks = £12
1L unleaded petrol = £1.02 (currently)

Where's that Borde bombe of mine? :D:greyalien:
 

Enzo

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Or you could buy the cheap 6 packs of butane in aerosol cans and decant into your 100-250g carts.
That gets the gas price down, summer only perhaps and depends on what you value your spare time at of course.

I bought a firemaple petrol stove in the winter, the lightweight one. Lots of plastic parts which doesn't inspire confidence but having used it at work a bit no problems so far.
But given you use fuel to prime it, and with the pot I'm using it with I think my meths stove uses less weight of fuel per liter boiled. And it isn't much if any slower.
I'm sure I can get a pot that works more efficiently with it, and adding a windscreen would obviously help, but I'm surprised how slow it is, especially given how powerful it SOUNDS.

It is small and light though. I may take it as a second stove along with a remote gas stove family camping so we can use two pots and redundancy if we run out of gas.

Bought for melting snow on multiday snowy trips that I'm never likely to take!

Be interesting to compare it to an MSR etc

https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.c...multi-fuel-stove-with-330ml-fuel-bottle-p2000
 

Padstowe

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Any idea what the power output is on the firemaple you linked to, at a quick look on UODG it was only the soto quoting theirs. (the firemaple does like to have a small burner head though, not that I have any experience with petrol or multi fuel stoves at all)
 

Mole

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Isn't it just jellified alcohol?
The Fire Dragon stuff I used was - it was in a squeeze bottle.
Very similar to the tinned stuff like Padstow described. I still have something like that. The tin is the same diameter as a trangia burner and a wire ring holds it in the trangia stove. Not as good performance as meths.

Sorry @Michael_x , my mistake. I haven't tried the FD solid fuel. They claim it better performance than Hexi and meths, but I've heard otherwise from others who have tried it. I'll pick some up next time I see it.
 

gixer

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Was going to put a thread up on this, but i think this as good a place to put it

I'm thinking about taking a hexamine stove as backup in case i run out of gas
Seems i can cut the bottom of a can (beer, cola etc) to use as the stove

Anyone got any light weight solutions for a pot stand?
 

Tartanferret

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Was going to put a thread up on this, but i think this as good a place to put it

I'm thinking about taking a hexamine stove as backup in case i run out of gas
Seems i can cut the bottom of a can (beer, cola etc) to use as the stove

Anyone got any light weight solutions for a pot stand?

I’ve used rocks before and also made some pot stands from wire coat hangers, crimped together with bits of ally tube. Similar to what speedster stoves sell
https://speedsterstoves.co.uk/pot-rests.html
 

Teepee

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As someone who cooks meals and likes a few hot drinks every day, alcohol stoves are just too much faff. I want my stove to tick over with a barely noticable flame for simmering, be easy to extinguish, and also near melt the pan when I'm behind a windy rock on a mountain.
Gas is for burning, alcohol is for drinking.
With noiseless stoves, I'm always wondering " is it still lit?" , and I'm usually drinking my half litre of ground coffee while others have taken root waiting for the water to boil.
 
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Padstowe

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I've spent the guts of 17yrs living on the streets cooking with alcohol stoves (as all street people do) you can cook meals with them no problem. As I said before it's only the boil time that makes the difference imo.
edit: The argument exists even on the streets, which is better alcohol or gas. To the best of my knowledge it only ever those new to the streets that say gas. Am not saying anything here other than alcohol is much easier to find than gas. (seen one guy once pop off to a restaurant come back with an olive oil drum & some flour & yeast, made some cuts turned it into a oven, sealed it with wet mud, cut some open top burners & baked a loaf of bread, turned to the young guy who was arguing the gas point and said "do that with your gas stove" of course you could but it shut the young guy up there & then :D)
 
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gixer

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Thanks all :thumbsup:

So for the burner bit, is the bottom of a cupped can ok, or is a bit of thin sheet better?
 

Davy

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My experience of meths has not been particularly positive, but most of my camping has been with others - if there is a jetboil in the group, daytime tea/coffee has been brewed and drunk by the time I've got water to the boil and I'm then holding folk up :)

My MYOG cone attempt with a speedster doesn't really work at all and I've not had the motivation to fettle. As I am now contemplating some solo trips anyone got a spare set up (cone) they want to move on?
 

dovidola

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As I've recently bought 12L of Bioethanol (£29 delivered) and 6 Speedster 30ml burners I'm fixed for the next few years or so.

The Evernew 900ml pot and Stormin's cone are still going strong, and I've several pie-dish bases stockpiled.

All good then!!
 

OwenM

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I normally use gas and I've not really had any problems getting canisters. Just to be on the safe side, in case I do go somewhere uncivilised enough not to sell gas, I have a Speedster stove. At 124g it's hardly a burden although I've never actually taken it out yet.
 

Mole

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My fastest boiling Gas burner the Frankenstove (soto windmaster plus modified Jetboil pot), can do a ½ litre boil in 2'30" tops, usually 3ish. My Esbit/Hexi cone setups do it in about 6 - 7minutes. Alcohol 8-11mins. So sometimes I use gas. Usually day walks or bivi trips. Mostly for work though. Otherwise the 5minutes or so extra the latter fuels take in camp is of no issue. And often, with a cone I set up the stove and it's boiling by the time my shelter and mat is deployed. I wouldn't do that with gas as it needs watching and turning off.

Horses for courses.
 

Rog Tallbloke

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The hardware shop in Morley does 5L of meths for £9 if you don’t need as much Rog, you need to take your own container though

Keen price! I'm developing a new fast boil alcy stove, so some cheap litres would be good. Just need to work out a legit excuse to head down that way.
700ml 9C water boils in 6.30 now, using a 220g heat exchanger pot.
 

Enzo

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I spent a short period trying to optimise alcohol stove/pots. I had no luck with conventional heat exchange pots, at least the ones I tried.
What I'd like to try is a Kelly kettle type pot with the chimney stuffed full of heat exchanger fins. In aluminium.

I only have a DC Tig at the minute so not something I can try to fab. Not that my skills are up to ghin wall aluminium.
 
Following with interest.
Bought a wee metho thingy stove from the US but every time I want to use the bloody thing it's not safe weather wise.
Still feeling with a 100 gm canister things are okay. As Enzo said I just keep filling it from ultra cheap Butane cans. Put in what I want using a scale. Used it only to about zero though obviously. Which realistically is most of my tripping. If I went cold would get a 'mix' for the cold I reckon. Would love to travel with some of the lasses and lads using a good metho set-up/cone etc to see them in action. Would love to learn more.
Must say the bottle/soft container required for the metho put me off-even in good non-windy conditions needed 15 mls to get about 400 mls was it of water to hot.
Nothing like a cuppa though when you want it. Canister gives me that. Though I know that's not to everyone's needs.
100gm canister (150 gms with fuel) snug inside a Evernew 450 (45gms) cup, which will fit snugly inside a 570 Evernew (55 gms) pot thing. The whole thing is barely bigger than the canister which I like very much. Soto (65 gms?) in the food bag with the tea bags.
Although for a year have only carried the cup and canister. Evernew stuff is tops isn't it for canisters! Good heating shape.
 
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