Meeting energy requirements - vegan diet

EM-Chiseller

EM-Chiseller

Thru Hiker
Interesting thread :thumbsup:
Before carnivore, I used to lo e the sorreen as a goto for energy, bag of mixed nuts and seeds, with dates can pack a fair punch for its weight.
I'm just glad I'm free of this quandary now. I can do on average 12hrs physical and mental activity between refuels.
 
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Stuart

Section Hiker
Make your own dehydrated meals. Obviously requires a dehydrator though. And perhaps need to carry some extra oil as the conventional wisdom seems to be that fat impedes the dehydrating process.
 
tom

tom

Thru Hiker
I don't think anyone mentioned coconut flakes yet? One of the best weight - calorie ratios I found. Sold roasted and unroasted. I mix it with granola for breakfast and into my nut trail mixes. Cashew is also one of my staples - fairly light for a nut and highly nutritious. The Indian shops sell cashew by the kilo and you can save more by buying "broken" cashews. Cashews also taste good with cooked food (e.g. couscous). Another light and tasty nut mix ingredient are these spicy Japanese dried peas. Great flavour variant for a nut mix too...
 
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Fair Weather Camper

Fair Weather Camper

Thru Hiker
Macadamia nuts are one of the highest calorific nuts.. Fairly sure they sell them at that plastic free shop in town.

Brazil nuts too, the high levels of selenium are useful.

Don't forget the humble dried banana - the semi soft ones.. There's lots of potassium in there, for muscle repair.

There's plenty of recipes online for vegan energy ball type things - like those ones that @Clare made last year.

Any kind of kibble like bombay mix, or gram and sesame extrusions are a bit more-ish and high in calories too :)

Definitely you need the calories, but don't forget the micronutrients too.. You're not just an infernal combustion engine to shovel calories into.
Brain function, mental health.. And by extension stuff like resolve, and navigational aptitude are affected by these things too - not getting enough zinc for example (Brazil nuts again) can affect mood.

Of course if you're only out for a day or two, then it probs doesn't matter so much, so long as your diet at home is OK.. :angelic:

It's the fresh stuff that perks me up the most, on longer trips tho :thumbsup:


Edit..... Vegan Farm Femme Jess (she of the green hair) would be a good person to chat to about all this, she made some amazeballs vegan peanutbutter and chocolate cups.. Like the Reeses' ones, only x100 yummier, less claggy, and I imagine, better nutrition.
 
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Blah blah blah

Blah blah blah

Trail Blazer
On Sunday we walked from Hartington to Longnor and back, one clay/muddy gateway, impossible to pass without sacrificing at least one clean boot, no equality in the decision that I ought to go first and then on the other side place something (cape left at home so that was out) that my lovely wife could step onto.

Item sourced and 'her' boots looking good we commenced with me looking like club foot.

9.9 miles (call it ten), no massive height gain - just a good leg stretcher.

Fenix stats on calories for the 24 hour period -

Resting - 2609
Active - 1906
Total - 4515

Taking a long term medication that makes me a lot warmer than most, would expect to burn more calories than others whilst doing nothing and some give and take on the actual amounts they seem reasonable figures.

We stopped in Longnor and sat on the metal bench and ate a couple of sandwiches, a piece of Christmas cake and had a hot chocolate, don't ever lick your finger when you have cleaned mud off your boot with it (does mud have calories?)

Does this offer anything to the topic - other than mud must be calorie laden because I lost no weight. (it was a big piece of cake)

I think I started writing this to say that if you wanted to maintain weight then resting calories after strenuous activity will be higher and are resting calories taken into consideration in the OP figures because there is a 1000 calories difference without a battle up a recognised hill and would call what we did a countryside amble as opposed to a hill walk.
 
OneBeardedWalker

OneBeardedWalker

Trail Blazer
@Blah blah blah It does add a lot! Good advice about the finger licking/mud awareness.

Blah blah blah said:
I think I started writing this to say that if you wanted to maintain weight then resting calories after strenuous activity will be higher and are resting calories taken into consideration in the OP figures because there is a 1000 calories difference without a battle up a recognised hill and would call what we did a countryside amble as opposed to a hill walk.
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In terms of the calories in the original post, I'm not sure, to be honest. As some others have remarked it might be a massive underestimation. I took it from Langmuir's 'Mountaincraft and Leadership' simply because I wanted a base figure to work against. It would be very interesting to see what the average calories used on say a ten-mile trip would be. I'm no dietitian but I suppose that there are so many variables in calories used when exercising, sex, metabolic rate, height, age, etc. etc.
 
Fair Weather Camper

Fair Weather Camper

Thru Hiker
OneBeardedWalker said:
Cheers @Fair Weather Camper the Brazil/Macadamia nut choice is something that I had neglected. Vegan peanut butter and chocolate cups sounds amazing, certainly be taking some of those out on the next but one trip.
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So shall I mention to Jess that you might be in the market for some of her yummy cups?

Or at least after the recipe?

And yes, I'd imagine your caloric numbers / needs game is going to sit within such a wide range of variables, as to be almost meaningless, for real-world situations.

I'd say always err on the side of slightly more food than you need.

Getting into town, just on fumes, is doable, but doesn't really add much to the enjoyment ime.
Unless you're of the sort who likes a bit of self-imposed purgatory ;)


Speaking of which.

Sorry not to be making your Dartmoor skirmish..OBW.

Away last week, and again next weekend, means rather a lot of work to catch up on :angelic:

Enjoy - especially the laying-in of subcutaneous stores at WHInn:)
 
tom

tom

Thru Hiker
Fair Weather Camper said:
Macadamia nuts are one of the highest calorific nuts.. Fairly sure they sell them at that plastic free shop in town.

Brazil nuts too, the high levels of selenium are useful.

Don't forget the humble dried banana - the semi soft ones.. There's lots of potassium in there, for muscle repair.

There's plenty of recipes online for vegan energy ball type things - like those ones that @Clare made last year.

Any kind of kibble like bombay mix, or gram and sesame extrusions are a bit more-ish and high in calories too :)

Definitely you need the calories, but don't forget the micronutrients too.. You're not just an infernal combustion engine to shovel calories into.
Brain function, mental health.. And by extension stuff like resolve, and navigational aptitude are affected by these things too - not getting enough zinc for example (Brazil nuts again) can affect mood.

Of course if you're only out for a day or two, then it probs doesn't matter so much, so long as your diet at home is OK.. :angelic:

It's the fresh stuff that perks me up the most, on longer trips tho :thumbsup:


Edit..... Vegan Farm Femme Jess (she of the green hair) would be a good person to chat to about all this, she made some amazeballs vegan peanutbutter and chocolate cups.. Like the Reeses' ones, only x100 yummier, less claggy, and I imagine, better nutrition.
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Very much agree on the fresh foods - radish and small sweet peppers are my first choice trail food on long hikes - quite substantial for their weight and often easily obtainable with resupplies. I get such a yearing for fresh fruit and stuff myself while passing through towns or villages...

Also, forgot to mention dried figs - the tiny white ones sold in Spain and Italy (and in Portugese shops in the UK). Real tasty and rich in electrolites.
 
dovidola

dovidola

Thru Hiker
Hunza apricots. Not the easiest to find but excellent for our purposes. Sometimes I can only get them with the stones in so I take them out as best I can before packing.

On the subject of apricots, supermarkets appear to be selling what they call 'soft apricots'. These have a higher residual (or added?) water content, increasing their profit margin and making them less attractive to weight-conscious hikers, albeit presumably easier for denture-wearers to chew. The only 'properly dried' apricots I can currently find in the supermarket are under the Duchy Originals label - expensive but top quality.
 
Fair Weather Camper

Fair Weather Camper

Thru Hiker
tom said:
Very much agree on the fresh foods - radish and small sweet peppers are my first choice trail food on long hikes - quite substantial for their weight and often easily obtainable with resupplies. I get such a yearing for fresh fruit and stuff myself while passing through towns or villages...

Also, forgot to mention dried figs - the tiny white ones sold in Spain and Italy (and in Portugese shops in the UK). Real tasty and rich in electrolites.
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Yes.. Hence the "Sprouting in the mountains" thread" and taking what was once, kilos of green veg, reduced to a few hundred grammes in the dehydrator...
Something of a chloropyllophile, maybe?? .

I'll usually buy lots of fresh food in a town, then munch through that before leaving again, with a treasured pepper, and tomato or two on board.

Harvesting radish (Black Spanish) right this moment, as it happens :)
 
Fair Weather Camper

Fair Weather Camper

Thru Hiker
dovidola said:
Hunza apricots. Not the easiest to find but excellent for our purposes. Sometimes I can only get them with the stones in so I take them out as best I can before packing.

On the subject of apricots, supermarkets appear to be selling what they call 'soft apricots'. These have a higher residual (or added?) water content, increasing their profit margin and making them less attractive to weight-conscious hikers, albeit presumably easier for denture-wearers to chew. The only 'properly dried' apricots I can currently find in the supermarket are under the Duchy Originals label - expensive but top quality.
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Try your local whole-food shop... They often stock them.

Ps where the hunza apricot originate, the Himalaya, I believe, they crack the stone, and eat the kernal for its food value.

Unsurprising I guess given its same family as almonds
 
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Helen E

Helen E

Ultralighter
Marks and sparks do a genuinely dried (as opposed to soft chewy) mango in little packs at the checkout - mega sugary and mega pricey (£1.20 for 40g) but very moreish. Haven't been able to track down larger packs of them instore.
 
Helen E

Helen E

Ultralighter
Come to think of it, cathyjc's post reminds me taht Morrisons do the dried mango too. As I recall it was 80p a pack but not as nice to me at least as the M&S
 
Fair Weather Camper

Fair Weather Camper

Thru Hiker
Turns out the chocolate peanut butter cups are simplicity itself.

In "Food of the Goddess" form :inlove:

Melt quality dark chocolate - in a bain marie - or microwave i think does it too - if you keep heating to half a millisecond.

Line paper bun cases with melted chocolate, drawing it half way up the sides.

Half fill cups with quality peanut butter - we agreed that crunchy - with a bit of salt is nicest.

(Could use any other nut butter or candied ginger etc)

Top off with more chocolate - chill in fridge ...

Then employ much subterfuge to hide them from any other hungry hikers .
 
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